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reply posted on 11-1-2008 @ 03:29 AM by Swordbeast
reply to post by ThatsJustWeird



No, it's not wishful thinking, i don't wish a civil war in the US to happen.
I DO wish for the american people to show the politicians their discontent in a way that can't be ignored.

There are two things that just don't exist in politics and mainstream media: honest mistakes and coincidences. And the fact that this happened both in Iowa and New Hampshire shows more signs of a concerted effort than anything else.

The fact that this, according to you, has happened in every election since the U.S. existed, should be nothing less than another eyeopener, but then, I doubt that it happened in this scale before the 1980ies. Keep in mind that if Hillary becomes POTUS, the fate of America will have been in the hands of 2 Families for 2 decades.

I would like to ask the people to watch the elections with raised awareness and produce a rucus if anything suspicious is perceived:
- Get visual evidence when numbers don't add up. Save that stuff on your harddrive, get screenshots and most of all, make them publicly available on youtube, imageshack or whereever. People have to see the stuff going on.
- Raise awareness when infografics don't show everything. Leaving information out amounts to the same as blatantly lying.
- Ask uncomfortable questions to the media and your representatives, present the gathered information and evidence to them. After all it's you the people who they have to answer to.
- Organize meetings, rallies and demonstrations to show the politicians that you DO care about what is going on. Also, organize the security of those events in order to prevent agent provocateurs from ruining the event and the credibility of the issue.


reply posted on 11-1-2008 @ 08:52 AM by ThatsJustWeird
Originally posted by Swordbeast
There are two things that just don't exist in politics and mainstream media: honest mistakes and coincidences. And the fact that this happened both in Iowa and New Hampshire shows more signs of a concerted effort than anything else.

What happened both in Iowa and NH? Both states had tiny villages no ones ever heard of correct their mistakes (if there was one) resulting in a 0% change in the results?

Also, this "my friend of a friend of a friend of a blind third cousin twice removed said that....." stuff has got to stop and real evidence presented.

The fact that this, according to you, has happened in every election since the U.S. existed, should be nothing less than another eyeopener, but then, I doubt that it happened in this scale before the 1980ies.

You're kidding right?
I can guarentee you that REAL voter fraud was WAY more prevelent prior to the 1980s. The reason why we see these mistakes and stuff now is because technology to catch this stuff is better. And in cases of fraud, it can more easily be reported now, especially with the internet so widely available. How can you possibly think any people doing the fraud would do it more now that they can be caught easily, then when they could do with no problems at all?

Keep in mind that if Hillary becomes POTUS, the fate of America will have been in the hands of 2 Families for 2 decades.

Fully aware of that and REALLY hope this doesn't happen....


reply posted on 11-1-2008 @ 02:55 PM by Swordbeast
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
What happened both in Iowa and NH? Both states had tiny villages no ones ever heard of correct their mistakes (if there was one) resulting in a 0% change in the results?

Also, this "my friend of a friend of a friend of a blind third cousin twice removed said that....." stuff has got to stop and real evidence presented.

Well, I think the video presented
here is not really a case of "my friend of a friend..." but concerning the possibility of error, I guess we have to assume innocence until proven guilty. But I remain suspicious, and you would be well advised to do so as well.


You're kidding right?
I can guarentee you that REAL voter fraud was WAY more prevelent prior to the 1980s. The reason why we see these mistakes and stuff now is because technology to catch this stuff is better. And in cases of fraud, it can more easily be reported now, especially with the internet so widely available. How can you possibly think any people doing the fraud would do it more now that they can be caught easily, then when they could do with no problems at all?

What you say possible, I don't currently have any information either way. I'd like to think that paper ballots leave a paper-trail so the votes could be easily recounted in case of doubt. This seems to be more difficult with electronic voting and tampering with the machines is a real possibility.


Fully aware of that and REALLY hope this doesn't happen....

We seem to fully agree on this one

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