BREAKING:Explosion At Boston Marathon

reply to post by Gideon70


Nothing to be sorry for. Discourse is discourse; we all learn from each other here.

And keep in mind, I might be totally wrong and the guy might actually be a soldier; there are a lot of f****d people in this world. But let's just be careful jumping to conclusions about 24 year old young men/women who joined the military because there weren't any jobs in their tiny rural town, or because they didn't graduate high school and wanted to provide for their new families.

That being said, has anyone heard about the picture of the guy on the roof? There was a photo taken right before/after (I'm not sure which) the bomb exploded, and it showed a figure in black on a rooftop who seemed unfazed by the bombing. Who was it/why were they there/did they do it?

Sounds like a job for ATS.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


I believe one of the main reasons the death toll is so low with so many amputations is the fact that there was a large contingent of trained and supplied medical people nearby. At a marathon there would naturally be a medical tent at the finish to give IV's to those that need them. When treating a battlefield amputation one of the first things you do after tying off the turniquet is to stick in an IV to replace lost fluid until you can get a blood transfusion going. Having these supplies and people trained to use them within meters of an event probably saved many lives.

It's Patriots day on Monday, a day sacred to americans loyal to the nation, and even american extremists whom prefers violence against fellow citizens rather than for legal and peaceful dialogue for change, such as the Oklahoma bomber.

Monday was a memorial day only americans would take note of, not foreign militants.

Slaughters by foreign militants are carried out to serve a purpose. They do not waste their efforts, funds, time, risks and labour just for fun. Thus when those missions had been performed, they will claim responsibility to let the authorities and their supporters know who carried out such attacks, to strike fear and gain support.

But this time, there was NO claims made.

The only ones who make no claims are usually the ones whom are disgruntled citizens, who will not let the authorities know who they are, as they plan to continue such attacks - to strike fear and chaos into the nation by killing the few to cower the many, and when the time is right, they will reveal themselves and seize control of congress and the white house, enact martial law and the slaughter of the opposition to them begins.

This is the modus operandi, and is used by and can be observed by the militants in Iraq. They are mostly iraqis, left no claims, but continue slaughter of the Malaki regime daily.

As the search for the culprit continues, the authorities must not rule out local terrorists as well. Those bombs that exploded were like canon fire, and probably have more than 20 kilos of explosives each. It has gotta be carried by large backpacks. Someone dumping a backpack would be an interesting find, as well as how he got there and leaving the area, in cab, or car, or rail which all can be tracked.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by POXUSA

Originally posted by TXRabbit

My guess is just as good as yours.

I agree 100%. Good assessment except I'd lean more towards Iraq vet rather than Afghani

What caught my attention immediately was the fact of "limbs blown off," which led me to consider a perpetrator with a grudge to bear - a terribly angry Afghan vet with missing limbs. The devices were intentionally designed so as to maim rather than to kill; to do damage to ones limbs. I think the FBI might just eventually profile in a similar manner.

edit on 16-4-2013 by POXUSA because: (no reason given)

A very good point. I did find it ironic that an event with runners would involve blowing legs off.

The same injuries are seen in all explosions like this. This happened in Madrid, on the London Tube, in Afghanistan, in the Admiral Duncan pub, in Israel... losing limbs is one of the most horrific things in any bombing and is not unique or special to this event. There is nothing to read into this other than the power of the device, the materials used and the placement of it - putting it anywhere to cause death would result in loss of limbs.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
When I saw the headline today 25-30 have lost at least one leg, I was horrified.

This is contrary to the information stated in the press conference. 4 people needed amputation, 2 are hoped to avoid amputation, the rest are trauma cases of varying severity, none life threatening. If you include te 4 dead as having "limbs blown off" thats still only 8, a far cry from 25-30.

It was also stated that the youngest patient was 28, and the oldest 71. I thought the Saudi chap questioned was one of the injured, a young student. I doubt he'd be as old as 28, so was he not wounded or was he treated elsewhere relative to the majority of victims?[

There was also a statement made regarding another doctor who has apparently stated that injuries were consistent with "environmental" debris. Does anyone have information of this person?

Drudge busted it wide open yesterday for everyone.

University of Mobile’s Cross Country Coach, who was near the finish line of the Boston Marathon when a series of explosions went off, said he thought it was odd there were bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines. 　 "They kept making announcements to the participants do not worry, it's just a training exercise," Coach Ali Stevenson told Local 15.

www.local15tv.com...

That exercise was to take place right opposite the Library. Right where the first bomb exploded!

Watch the video on the local 15 website. I will say those Newtown Actors certainly get around a lot since their new found criminal fame.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
When I saw the headline today 25-30 have lost at least one leg, I was horrified.
But it made me wonder, not too many bleed to death and why legs. And if the bomb was powerful enough to blow legs off, yet not kill with the same force to the rest of the body.

What is really sad is this is a sport that you need your legs, and at the end of all this, legs are the greatest casualty of this tragedy.

Whoever did this is either severely mental or severely evil.

I think people are reading too much into the leg injuries vs body injuries ratio.

If you have a tube device stuffed with explosives like a pipe bomb and wrap it in shrapnel, the shrapnel pattern will be radial from the centerline of the device. When you drop a long device in a trash can, it will tend to stand on end.

Combine the two and you have a device at ground level sending out a radial shrapnel pattern. (along the ground)

If the device shape and the detonation location of the device were picked for sheer practicality reason, then I doubt he was going for just legs. It just happened to end up that way. He probably did not think about the effects the charge shape, and the location would have on the damage.

If he had, he would of probably spent the extra time/work to pick a different charge shape, or pick a different detonation location.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


I think all of us have been thinking the same thing. What kind of person would do something like this. This is a marathon were peoples legs are everything, now a large majority of them now will never run again. And a lot will loose hope because of this twisted %*^&. Excuse my language but I think that word is the only word to describe someone so despicable. I hope justice prevails. I really hope this was not the government either, but just a terrorist. Just for the sake of, living in a country were the government will approve things like this. I would be moving to the EU somewhere, if i believed the government did this. Seriously...

At least during the world wars, you went off to war, knew of air raids, had warnings. These terror attacks are just completely random and unexpected. This just seems so unbelievable, but i guess we are over due to for a terror attack.... To bad it happened on patriots day....... Now it will be related to the Boston bomb tragedy...

RIP to the people who passed during this attack, and my wishes are with everyone suffering from this.

Originally posted by Rocker2013
There were a lot of people standing there, and the bin, the ground, a bench, would all have created the same types of injuries.

Thats exactly what I've been saying. A crowd all stood round a bin. The bomb goes off, it will blast their legs more than anything else although it killed plenty too. I really do not belive the 'Vet who wanted to blow runners legs off' theory!

Originally posted by threewisemonkeys

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
When I saw the headline today 25-30 have lost at least one leg, I was horrified.

This is contrary to the information stated in the press conference. 4 people needed amputation, 2 are hoped to avoid amputation, the rest are trauma cases of varying severity, none life threatening. If you include te 4 dead as having "limbs blown off" thats still only 8, a far cry from 25-30.

It was also stated that the youngest patient was 28, and the oldest 71. I thought the Saudi chap questioned was one of the injured, a young student. I doubt he'd be as old as 28, so was he not wounded or was he treated elsewhere relative to the majority of victims?[

There was also a statement made regarding another doctor who has apparently stated that injuries were consistent with "environmental" debris. Does anyone have information of this person?

edit on 16-4-2013 by threewisemonkeys because: (no reason given)

Well the 4 amputations the head Dr at Boston Mass General was just talking about during that press conference were just the ones that he did the surgeories for specifically. I heard they flew in specialists from NY and other states. So yea one Doctor can only do so many amputations in one night. It's like a 4-6 hour procedure.

So it's my understanding many other amputations were performed by other Doctors.

Originally posted by Patriotsrevenge

That exercise was to take place right opposite the Library. Right where the first bomb exploded!

Watch the video on the local 15 website. I will say those Newtown Actors certainly get around a lot since their new found criminal fame.

Was it an exercise or were they acting on information and used 'exercise' as an excuse not to alarm anyone. it will be a huge deal if they did!

reply to post by Rocker2013


First off, I haven't read anyone's theory or opinion here except for your reply & Gideon's. I don't WANT it to be 'anyone' who has the finger pointed at them. But make no mistake... I will not take the official story at face value if its like a bucket full of holes. I feel a little like you are trying to bait me, so you can stop that right now. The official stories always seem to be full of holes. I'm not a child, I have rational thought processes, I can add 1+1=2 you see. I will be piecing this together in my own mind.... I don't need your help or nurturing.

There are other things out there in play....all things need to be considered before they are shot down.

Here's the guy on the roof. Seems a bit strange, but I don't have much more factual info than that.

Thoughts? Maybe I should make another thread later (when there's more info than just a picture and a badly written NYDaily News article).

And to the people questioning the losss of limbs, the "amputations", and the perceived connection to the bomber, I agree with Mr Tranny and Rocker2013: it's simply a facet of the bomb type/strength. No one can create a home-made bomb accurate enough to ensure that it blows off legs/arms/etc. Home-made bombs are far too volatile, and in the United States, where we don't have access to Russian surplus munitions, the bombs would be even more crudely made.

Originally posted by AGR1PPA
reply to post by Gideon70

 

Nothing to be sorry for. Discourse is discourse; we all learn from each other here.

And keep in mind, I might be totally wrong and the guy might actually be a soldier; there are a lot of f****d people in this world. But let's just be careful jumping to conclusions about 24 year old young men/women who joined the military because there weren't any jobs in their tiny rural town, or because they didn't graduate high school and wanted to provide for their new families.

That being said, has anyone heard about the picture of the guy on the roof? There was a photo taken right before/after (I'm not sure which) the bomb exploded, and it showed a figure in black on a rooftop who seemed unfazed by the bombing. Who was it/why were they there/did they do it?

Sounds like a job for ATS.

You have my highest respect for that post .

As for the guy on roof . There has been a lot of speculation .
I stated earlier that if you look on the roof you will see a couple of bench's . Maybe people go out there when on a work break ? It could be this guy was simply on his way back to the rooftop building when the explosion happened . I'm just going by what I can see .

Originally posted by Nola213

Well the 4 amputations the head Dr at Bostan Mass General was talking about were just the ones that he did the surgeories for specifically. I heard they flew in specialists from NY and other states. So yea one Doctor can only do so many amputations in one night. It's like a 4-6 hour procedure.

That isn't the question that was asked or answered. The question asked was "How many amputations were performed?" the answer was "4". This was further clarified by an addition question of "Were those 4 amputations 4 different people" to which the answer was "Yes". There was no indication of any other amputees as questions were directed towards the injured as a whole, not just the injured that doctor treated. So is it 4, 8 or 30?

reply to post by threewisemonkeys


reports r from several area hospitals. so depending on rather the MSM gives out 1 report or a TOTAL of all area hospitals ,u get conflicting info.just like so fa i saw 2 or 3 dead,eyt somewhere i did see it was a much higher count. the injured is over 175 seems to keep going up.most new counts of injured probably is those who r reporting lighter injuries. but i expect thru out today the loss of limbs n dead counts will go up. i went to bed figuring the death toll by this morning to b 5-10. i have yet to see a total.

see the problem is. whoever did this is surely not living anymore, which leaves it up to the media...to tell you what they want you to think happened.. i mean damn look at the movie hackers
...similar plot

the other point to consider is in the wording. how many amputees did YOU,personally, perform. each doc will give HIS own #. also a blown off foot,leg,arm does not have to b amutated,it already was. by 6pm we will get different #'s. mayb even a day or 2.

reply to post by OneisOne


there is a man on a building top left , don't know if it has any connection.

reply to post by jazz3


Are there press conferences from these other hospitals? Or at least some verifiable figures from them as to the injured they have treated and their current condition?