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Originally posted by Xenoglossy
Let's see:
Onassis? Is one of the Illuminati bloodlines who apparently go back to ancient times?
This is literally the only important figure in the "Onassis bloodline". And even he is pretty much insignificant if you are looking for the REAL movers and shakers in the world.
en.wikipedia.org...
His only living heir is her:
en.wikipedia.org...
Yeah, this literally screams Satanism and World Domination. A 28-year-old woman married to a brazilian professional showjumper. Scary stuff.
Originally posted by TheKeyMaster
BUT... much of the info I do have is based on scientific knowledge and this is interwoven through the whole mystery.
And I mean "infiltrated" by people who had knowledge passed on through the Egyptians. Research Pythagoras. When he was young he went to Egypt and learned a lot of occult knowledge. It seems the Freemasons have the same knowledge but I don't know if they got it from Pythagoras or they both got it from Egypt and they are separate branches...
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Such as? What specifically do you have to substantiate your claim that Masonry originated in Egypt?
And I mean "infiltrated" by people who had knowledge passed on through the Egyptians. Research Pythagoras. When he was young he went to Egypt and learned a lot of occult knowledge. It seems the Freemasons have the same knowledge but I don't know if they got it from Pythagoras or they both got it from Egypt and they are separate branches...
The 'occult' (hidden) knowledge that Operative Masons possessed was Geometry and knowledge of stone cutting/laying which enabled them to ply their trade across Europe. The rationale for hiding this information was for job security.
Originally posted by TheKeyMaster
It's too much to go into here.... if you want I can let you know when I am ready to show some info.
How can you know what you are saying is true when freemasonry is a society with secrets?
From what I have found in my research there is much more to it than that... geometry is just the tip of that iceberg.
Lower level masons aren't privy to the full information.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
To be frank, to me this translates to, 'I have no information that I can provide to backup my claims'.
Because the 'secrets' are five handshakes and five passwords and has nothing to do with the origins of the ritual, teachings or lessons.
All Masons are admonished to study The Seven Liberal Arts and Sciences with Geometry being paramount among them. The study of mathmatics was not something that your average Dark Age serf had any conception of and this knowledge was jealously guarded by those who utilized it for a livelihood. The ability to calculate angles and square stone were invaluable aspects of the Operative Mason's trade and they built up elaborate ritual to impart and teach this knowledge to worthy and dedicated apprentices. It was their version of a trade school.
Lower level masons aren't privy to the full information.
The fact that you even made the 'lower level Masons' comment shows a profound misunderstanding of how Masonry actually operates.
Originally posted by TheKeyMaster
I don't blame you... but how could you know the difference?
So what you are saying is if they had secrets you'd know about it? How would you know otherwise?
What I am saying is that there is more to it... it's like children learning nursery rhymes or biblical stories.. on the surface they have one meaning and below the surface there is a completely different meaning. Yes much of that info and geometry has a practical purpose that the lower level masons could use... but there is a whole different level of understanding most are not aware of.
How do you know you aren't the one with the profound misunderstanding and you don't know how freemasonry actually operates? How could you know?
Originally posted by ParasuvO
Please tell us what job security you are protecting now, since all the Trade Secrets of Stone Masons, are out.
Oh other trade secrets that have nothing to do with stonework ?
Deny everything reveal nothing?
What are you a mason for...and why do you feel pride in it..
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
By posting or linking to it.
Considering I have been a Mason for quite some time and have been in various roles and positions I think I am in a position to say what the organization is about.
Modern Speculative Masons are not taught the practical aspects of geometry for cathedral building but it is instead used to impart the moral lessons of Masonry.
How do you know you aren't the one with the profound misunderstanding and you don't know how freemasonry actually operates? How could you know?
Considering I am a member of the Grand Lodge and a Past Master I am, using the term you prefer, a 'high level Mason'.
Originally posted by TheKeyMaster
It is nowhere near that simple.. it has taken me years to put the pieces of the puzzle together..
So you are saying there is no way you could be wrong? From what I have heard masonry is different all over the world. It's not like a McDonald's franchise...
And how do you know there aren't many layers even beyond this?
If everyone know it wouldn't be a secret.... the reality is there is no way for you to know for a fact there aren't secrets kept from you...
All I know is I have seen the technological proof there is much much more to all this than what we are being told... if you understand science and look at this info you would know as well. Sadly others don't understand science and haven't looked into all the info out there... that is by design.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
So you are basically saying 'take my word for it, Masonry originated in Egypt'? If that is the case you can clealry see why I would not.
The preponderence of Masons are in the United States and Masonry, other than some ritualistic differences, is the same from state to state.
Because the ritual is quite clear.
Considering the leadership at the local and state level changes every year there would be quite a few people who did know and I would have been one of them using your definitions.
Such as? Be specific.
Originally posted by Kang69
reply to post by Xenoglossy
Meh.
So, if these guys are trying to control the world, wouldn't mind control through mass media be the key?
Originally posted by Xenoglossy
Originally posted by Kang69
reply to post by Xenoglossy
Meh.
So, if these guys are trying to control the world, wouldn't mind control through mass media be the key?
Yes, it certainly would be.
But for that I would look more at Fox News and less at some insipid music videos.
Originally posted by TheKeyMaster
You are looking at this way too simplistically... with the entertainment industry its not so much what they say it's what they don't say...
Originally posted by Xenoglossy
Originally posted by TheKeyMaster
You are looking at this way too simplistically... with the entertainment industry its not so much what they say it's what they don't say...
Yeah, you are right about that. The entertainment industry doesn't say much of substance.
Originally posted by TheKeyMaster
Would it really surprise you if that was by design or controlled by the people in power in this country or around the world?
Originally posted by TheKeyMaster
Why do you think there is no voice of reason in the horde? No entertainment companies that provide intelligent entertainment? It;s not because there is no market for it.. it's because they control it all.