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Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by JuniorDisco
based on a premise so imbecilic
that was uncalled for...I realize the argument is not the best for this type of discussion, but I was making a point. The one you missed with this comment:
non-white French footballers
It's not about non-whites...it's about non-french...whether they be black or white or yellow...is of no consequence for my argument.
Originally posted by asen_y2k
Originally posted by Gazrok
On the contrary, if anything, history has shown that muslim people, once exposed to the ways of the West, generally start to trend towards those ways, versus the other way around.
Just in the two years I lived in Saudi, I saw changes taking place, and that was years ago.
Heck, look at this 2004 comment even...
My vision is of a country with a prosperous and diversified economy in which any Saudi citizen, irrespective of gender who is serious about finding employment, can find a job in the field for which he or she is best qualified, leading to a thriving middle class and in which all Saudi citizens, residents or visitors to the country feel safe and can live in an atmosphere where mutual respect and tolerance exist among all, regardless of their social class, religion or gender.
Lubna Olayan, the CEO of Olayan Financing Company (Saudi Arabia)
Well what will happen if a western woman tries to drive a car there, or even wears western clothes there? Not possible. Then try protesting there as a foreigner. Protesting so that they change their law. Try making a single church there. Try ordering pork in a restaurants, and protest if u dont get it. You will get deported if not imprisoned.
What happens when muslim migrants in the west want Islamic ways? They sometimes succeed. They succeeded in getting halal, a French poster says the anti headscarf law in France has not been implemented against muslim women, they build many mosques. Why this double standards?edit on 3/4/13 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by InhaleExhale
Originally posted by asen_y2k
Originally posted by Gazrok
On the contrary, if anything, history has shown that muslim people, once exposed to the ways of the West, generally start to trend towards those ways, versus the other way around.
Just in the two years I lived in Saudi, I saw changes taking place, and that was years ago.
Heck, look at this 2004 comment even...
My vision is of a country with a prosperous and diversified economy in which any Saudi citizen, irrespective of gender who is serious about finding employment, can find a job in the field for which he or she is best qualified, leading to a thriving middle class and in which all Saudi citizens, residents or visitors to the country feel safe and can live in an atmosphere where mutual respect and tolerance exist among all, regardless of their social class, religion or gender.
Lubna Olayan, the CEO of Olayan Financing Company (Saudi Arabia)
Well what will happen if a western woman tries to drive a car there, or even wears western clothes there? Not possible. Then try protesting there as a foreigner. Protesting so that they change their law. Try making a single church there. Try ordering pork in a restaurants, and protest if u dont get it. You will get deported if not imprisoned.
What happens when muslim migrants in the west want Islamic ways? They sometimes succeed. They succeeded in getting halal, a French poster says the anti headscarf law in France has not been implemented against muslim women, they build many mosques. Why this double standards?edit on 3/4/13 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)
Muslim women are driving cars there, so what will happen if a western woman drives, I don't know, the car shes driving will move from point A to B.
TWO wheels good, four wheels bad is the new rule for women in Saudi Arabia after religious authorities in the kingdom granted them the right to ride bicycles for the first time. This week's move has been met with mingled scorn, incredulity and delight by women in the conservative kingdom, who remain the only females in the world barred by their government from driving cars.
Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by InhaleExhale
it was in context of getting revenge for their country being destroyed...a poster before me mentioned that as an excuse for extremism. I simply remarked in that context.
Originally posted by asen_y2k
reply to post by JuniorDisco
Violence by muslimes are not done by just a few. But what is alarming is that most of their violence is in the name of their religion/god. Their beleive in the quran is 100%, religious freedom is rarely allowed, apostasy results in death. I dont have much time to quote the quran, but its filled with violent verses, so is the bible, but we rarely see christians quoting from the bible and being violent. Yes its there but very rare.
Originally posted by Wildbob77
There are now Muslim only zones in many countries.
Originally posted by JuniorDisco
Originally posted by asen_y2k
reply to post by JuniorDisco
Violence by muslimes are not done by just a few. But what is alarming is that most of their violence is in the name of their religion/god. Their beleive in the quran is 100%, religious freedom is rarely allowed, apostasy results in death. I dont have much time to quote the quran, but its filled with violent verses, so is the bible, but we rarely see christians quoting from the bible and being violent. Yes its there but very rare.
There are something like 2 billion muslims. The vast, overwhelming majority are peaceful. There are tiny numbers of islamist terrorist organisations that are in many cases the equivalent of revolutionary communist groups in the last century.
The point is that to conflate all muslims with a few crazies doing nasty things in the name of their religion and suggest that the religion somehow causes it is crazy. Christians have invaded countries in the name of christ, burned cities for their god, killed children. Is this because Christianity is 'bad'? No. It's because stupid, millenarianist people like doing stupid things.
Originally posted by asen_y2k
reply to post by JuniorDisco
No its the fact that people are calling me racist for my views and holding muslims on a higher pedestal, when in Saudi Arabia, they are committing crimes against human rights. The double standards of the members here.
Yes they can do whatever the want there, i wont go to preach Atheism there. If they dont like the west, why do they migrate in the fist place?edit on 3/4/13 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by asen_y2k
Compare the violence by muslims on other muslims and of people of other faith. Its amazingly huge compared to people of other religions. Its to do with their blind faith in the quran.
Yes vast majority of the 2 billion muslims are non violent but the ones which are, are a lot more in number than the ones of other religions.edit on 3/4/13 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)edit on 3/4/13 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by asen_y2k
reply to post by InhaleExhale
By Chinese, it mean whatever faith they follow.
Originally posted by JuniorDisco
Originally posted by asen_y2k
reply to post by InhaleExhale
By Chinese, it mean whatever faith they follow.
Do you even know?
Man, the firm beliefs born out of ignorance on this board... it's quite extraordinary.
There’s a few options., When travelled to Islamic regions you either acquiesced to their customs and wore the costumes of their culture. From there, they ‘listened’ to your rhetoric because you’re an Western World woman who acquiesced - no reason not to nod their heads and smile.
There are no in betweens in the Muslim world. The religion of Islam is a way of life with no exceptions.
Facts are Muslims are ‘taking over the Western World’ faster than a snowball traveling downhill in a blizzard. If you do not agree you can take your - how was it you put it? Your ‘indignant, misplaced, xenophobic and often ignorant rhetoric and ideas for anyone that does not share your opinion’ and keep it - because you are wrong.
Originally posted by Wildbob77
reply to post by JuniorDisco
Some links about Muslim only areas
You can live with your blinders on or choose to open your eyes.
Reality does not make one a racist, it just means you're aware
Link
No Go Zones
No Go Areas of France
Originally posted by asen_y2k
reply to post by InhaleExhale
By Chinese, it mean whatever faith they follow.