BBC News: Why have the white British left London?

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

Originally posted by CJCrawley
reply to post by JuniorDisco

 

Well fine, hunny, go and tell them that millions of European pale-skins are going to live in their cities and see how "welcoming" they are then.

Proof of the pudding, and all that.

Yes, because you know exactly how they would feel based on... what? Total supposition? Your own prejudice and stupidity?

You realise that you're basically saying that you're allowed to be a bigot because you think other people might be? Does that seem logical to you?

So you agree that they wouldn't like it?

Nostradamus predicted that West Europe would become a Muslim Nation.

Looks like it's slowly going to creep towards that

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No. I don't know whether they would or not, although my direct experience suggests they like white people. And anyway the point is totally irrelevant, since there's no way of actually knowing and it's in any case just an attempt by you to excuse your racism as somehow justified.

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

Exactly. So you can't accurately predict immigration either, since it is largely economic. Which means your talk about being 'outnumbered' is baseless.

Yet white British people are already a minority in London so there is no need to predict future immigration.

White ethnic Britons in minority in London - FT

The horse has already bolted.

I see that the Labour leader has stated today that too many unskilled immigrants have been allowed into the UK.

Labour let too many low-skilled migrants into Britain, admits Miliband

He has admitted that the scale of unskilled immigration has meant workers' wages have been undercut. He has pledged to introduce a 'One Nation immigration policy' for many not the few, whatever that is supposed to mean.

It is interesting the way 28% of the votes going to the UKIP at a by-election appears to have prompted the opposition leader to admit that immigration has been too high and has hurt the working class.

Still, I imagine he will do nothing about it if he ever gets into power. The noises he is making is interesting nonetheless.

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

No. I don't know whether they would or not, although my direct experience suggests they like white people.

I'm sure they do. I suspect however that Indians would be less welcoming if they were a minority in their own cities.

Of course, I could be wrong. But then so could you.

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

You realise that this map doesn't prove anything about 'non white immigrants'? It refers only to % of white British.

It's important to be accurate when you discuss these things. Or you an be accused of having an agenda.

I do have an agenda. I oppose mass-immigration from third world countries.

There is nothing wrong with immigration. It is the sheer scale and speed of it that is the problem.

Originally posted by ollncasino


Yet white British people are already a minority in London so there is no need to predict future immigration.

I agree. So why have you been doing it?

It is interesting the way 28% of the votes going to the UKIP at a by-election appears to have prompted the opposition leader to admit that immigration has been too high and has hurt the working class.

Still, I imagine he will do nothing about it if he ever gets into power. The noises he is making is interesting nonetheless.

I'm not saying there aren't issues surrounding immigration - wages being a key one (although you sound to me like you're economically fairly liberal, so presumably wage competition is something you would consider good?)

What I object to is lazy inaccuracies and prejudice being used to influence such an important debate. On this thread we have already had outright lies and half-truths about the extent of radical muslim immigration, conflation between race and immigration, the mixing up of race and nationality, an overwhelming over-estimation of non-white immigration justified by incorrect figures, and an attempt to extrapolate current trends to show whites becoming outnumbered that even you concede is statistically worthless.

Why? Because it suits some people to muddy the waters of this discussion.

Originally posted by ollncasino

I suspect however that Indians would be less welcoming if they were a minority in their own cities.

But there is no city where the British are in a minority. And as you have admitted you don't know what the future holds.

Of course, I could be wrong. But then so could you.

I agree. Then why mention it at all? I certainly didn't bring it up, since I recognise the pointlessness of using unknowables to try to make a point.

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I dont like the way you keep referring to it being 'white british' losing their ID.... what about the 'Carribean British' or the 'Mixed Race British'.... we are also losing our 'English' ID and language!!

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

I dont like the way you keep referring to it being 'white british' losing their ID.... what about the 'Carribean British' or the 'Mixed Race British'.... we are also losing our 'English' ID and language!!

I should make it clear that my child is mixed race British so I apolgise if I have given the impression that I see this as an exclusively white British issue.

The 'white flight' of white British people from London however is an indication of the probable larger flight of culturally British people from London when confronted by their communities being flooded with immigrants.

Originally posted by JuniorDisco
I'm not saying there aren't issues surrounding immigration - wages being a key one (although you sound to me like you're economically fairly liberal, so presumably wage competition is something you would consider good?)

By the same token, why don't the boards of directors of large British companies outsource their jobs to Indians to save costs?

Originally posted by ollncasino


I should make it clear that my child is mixed race British so I apolgise if I have given the impression that I see this as an exclusively white British issue.

But you have done this repeatedly, either by mistake or because you think it furthers your cause and scares people a bit more to conflate race and immigration.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by JuniorDisco
I'm not saying there aren't issues surrounding immigration - wages being a key one (although you sound to me like you're economically fairly liberal, so presumably wage competition is something you would consider good?)

By the same token, why don't the boards of directors of large British companies outsource their jobs to Indians to save costs?

edit on 6-3-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

I don't get what you mean. Are you joking?

reply to post by JuniorDisco

your pessimistic, racist outlook

cliched rubbish

what is this constant need for equivalence amongst racists?

Your own prejudice and stupidity?

you're basically saying that you're allowed to be a bigot

just an attempt by you to excuse your racism

Wow. Just wow.

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

But you have done this repeatedly, either by mistake or because you think it furthers your cause and scares people a bit more to conflate race and immigration.

Could I refer you to the title of the OP. The headline is the BBC's, not mine.

Why have the white British left London?

Of course not all British people leaving London are white but the BBC article choose to dwell on that aspect.

It is rather unfair if you then accuse me of trying to scare people by doing the same.

reply to post by CJCrawley


You think Britain is a "white country". You're a bigot.

Which is why you can't actually engage with any of what I've written. There's no actual basis to your position beyond prejudice.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

But you have done this repeatedly, either by mistake or because you think it furthers your cause and scares people a bit more to conflate race and immigration.

Could I refer you to the title of the OP. The headline is the BBC's, not mine.

Why have the white British left London?

Of course not all British people leaving London are white but the BBC article choose to dwell on that aspect.

It is rather unfair if you then accuse me of trying to scare people by doing the same.

Wait a second, neither I nor the other poster was responding to the OP. Rather we were suggesting that you have continually painted this as a 'white British v everyone else' issue.

In a couple of cases you've used evidence that confuses race with nationality, or incorrectly suggested things like the British are in a minority, and I can't see why you would do that except to scare people.

To put it plainly, you've said things that aren't true, or are based on incorrect assumptions and evidence in order to further your admitted agenda. With the greatest of respect, I find that a bit suspect.

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Pay not attention to the trolls playing semantics.
Only when it is too late will the nay sayers admit they were wrong and multiculturalism doesn't work.

Originally posted by dominicus
Nostradamus predicted that West Europe would become a Muslim Nation.

He also predicted that the world would end in 1998. So I guess all his predictions are now null and void?

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

In a couple of cases you've used evidence that confuses race with nationality, or incorrectly suggested things like the British are in a minority, and I can't see why you would do that except to scare people.

The BBC article makes it clear that white British people at 45% of the population of London are in the minority. I am puzzled why you think it is somehow disingenuous to refer to this figure.

If you would like to introduce data that white and non-white British people are in the majority in London then please be my guest. It will further the debate by introducing new information.

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

To put it plainly, you've said things that aren't true, or are based on incorrect assumptions and evidence in order to further your admitted agenda. With the greatest of respect, I find that a bit suspect.

With respect, I think you are deliberately misunderstanding what I have written.

I have not stated anything that is factually incorrect but I do concede that the following map doesn't prove there are a lot of non white immigrants in London.



Nonetheless, it is an incontrovertible fact that their are an awfully lot of immigrants in London!

English-speaking pupils are a minority in inner-city London primary schools

As English stops being the first language of most London children, is Britain ready for the great integration challenge?

Education in London: pupils by race, poverty and language for every local authority