BBC News: Why have the white British left London?

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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by JuniorDisco
And as someone else points out, the most obvious immigrant group - Poles - tend to be Christian in much higher numbers than native Brits. Our local Catholic church is literally packed out the door on major saints days. So I imagine your viewpoint is designed to, what? Encourage division and hatred? Certainly it's lack of basis in reality suggests an ulterior motive.


To be fair, British Muslims as a group do tend to be much more militant than Polish Christians as a group so your underlying assumption that Polish Christians will in some way pacify radical Muslims is somewhat questionable.

After all, how many Polish Christians have demanded the death or prosecution of someone who has insulted Christianity?



That's not my underlying assumption at all. Because I don't acknowledge that radical muslims are a threat that requires pacification in any urgent sense.

My point is that insinuations that immigration necessarily imports exotic or threatening belief systems are false. Unless you think Catholicism is particularly dangerous. Which to be fair your intellectual bedfellows in the preceding couple of centuries often did.

Your argument is fallacious anyway. Why would militancy among Polish Christians pacify radical islam? The reverse might be equally possible, surely? And if you really want to play that game one can point to umpteen examples of irrational and violent Christian behaviour. But I don't think it's a particularly healthy direction for the discussion to take.




posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by JuniorDisco

That's not my underlying assumption at all. Because I don't acknowledge that radical muslims are a threat that requires pacification in any urgent sense.


You are probably correct. I would however argue that cultural integration of immigrants should be a leading priority.

It is interesting nonetheless that in the BBC article in the OP, objections to the behaviour of some Muslims in the capital was the highest ranking readers comment. Clearly, it is widely held perspective even if it is not one you share yourself.


Originally posted by JuniorDisco

And if you really want to play that game one can point to umpteen examples of irrational and violent Christian behaviour.


True, but unless those violent Christians were being irrational and violent in London and arguably playing a role in pushing people out of the capital, such examples would be irrelevant.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 11:58 AM
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wow ,what a huge generalisation. And a lie .

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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

You are probably correct. I would however argue that cultural integration of immigrants should be a leading priority.


Agreed. But I do think that integration isn't best served by mischaracterising a small minority as emblematic of all immigrants.

Someone is profiting from this. I'm not sure who. I have had discussions with Australian members of this forum who are genuinely of the opinion that whole cities in Britain are run under sharia law. Someone must benefit from giving them this nonsense.


It is interesting nonetheless that in the BBC article in the OP, objections to the behaviour of some Muslims in the capital was the highest ranking readers comment. Clearly, it is widely held perspective even if it is not one you share yourself.


It is widely held. I can acknowledge that. But I don't think it's correct, and I don't think that popularity in the rather basic (and occasionally base) arena of internet comment threads is a particularly scientific measure of underlying factors.


Originally posted by JuniorDisco

True, but unless those violent Christians were being irrational and violent in London and arguably playing a role in pushing people out of the capital, such examples would be irrelevant.



That 'arguably' is a pretty big qualifier! I'd like to see evidence that militant islam is a key point in people's decision to move out. I seriously doubt it. Far more likely that neighbourhood demographics change and the relatively more affluent move on. 'Twas always thus.

Take where I'm from. A hundred years ago it was an Italian neighbourhood and it still has traces of that. But most of those immigrants - who were often derided when they arrived - have moved to points north and east as they've become better off.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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reply to post by FreedomEntered
 


Who are you addressing?

There are substantially more than a million white Londoners!



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 12:02 PM
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This is a lie.

So the white london folk which I think there are 100s of thousands of, pehaps more than a million are just not people in your warped way of seeing?

Also it makes perfect sense that people with abit of cash might leave to live by the sea or coast. I mean its a healthier life for one. Relaxing, from the hustle and bustle of the rat race you find in cities, and Im sure they get more for their money too, a tad more anyway.


Actually to find the reason they leave youd have to interview all of them .
Otherwise anything you say is just speculation and your own opinion.
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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 12:03 PM
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reply to post by JuniorDisco
 


I was addressing the op who is kinda making out that white londoners are a bunch of racist who are leaving because of immigrants.

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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 12:09 PM
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Its a bad thing.

I feel bad for the UK. You guys are going the road of Spain and the rest of Europe.

Good luck.

EDIT:
Everything I have heard from people on holiday here from the UK say that this is dead true.

multiculturalism. Thanks UN.....
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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 12:17 PM
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You know what it is, people dont respect the indigenous peoples. When they sniff money they are there. Does this make sense? Its like they know there are opportunities, and so forth so they just then want to out-breed the people that live there.

Its like a way to conquer the area.

Its wrong and they should make more efforts to preseve the indigenous people of great cities like London.

They should clamp down on immigration for the sake of it, when there isnt enough space.

And whats funny is when you visit any great city around the world as an ex-pat you want to see and learn from the indigenous people. Its just natural to be curious about who was there before.

They dont get that the more they do this allow mass immigration, the less the city will retain its uniqueness.

Infact as you have pointed out it will become like the country or city of those who have taken over through breeding.

Having said this, I still dont think that thats the reason most Londoners who are white leave there.
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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 12:31 PM
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Meanwhile in America everything is going swimmingly!

There are some pretty solid reasons why the UK is unlikely to go the way of Spain. Ironically immigration is both a symptom and cause of this.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 12:40 PM
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Obviously you are right, and the only thing I would criticise you for is for expecting otherwise


Have to agree with an earlier poster, the racist white underclass are prob moving to more EDL friendly estates where they get less hassle from the social



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 01:58 PM
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I will accept your theory when I start hearing of Polish Catholic priests on street corners inciting Catholics to violence. Your leftist urge to treat all cultures as equal has led to your nation and mine to become cesspools. At some point, the pendulum will begin to swing the other way. At that time, "cultural corrections" will be made.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Gadsden2014
reply to post by JuniorDisco
 


I will accept your theory when I start hearing of Polish Catholic priests on street corners inciting Catholics to violence. Your leftist urge to treat all cultures as equal has led to your nation and mine to become cesspools. At some point, the pendulum will begin to swing the other way. At that time, "cultural corrections" will be made.



Nice way to say "genocide".

Its funny how all immigrants both illegals and legals are painted the same, and not only that, all the immigrants are bunched together.

a "native" would see us and them, but im sure a minority will see, minority 1, minorty 2, minorty 3 etc etc.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 02:25 PM
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lol how do you know what a minority sees? Firstly what minories see is a myrid of things since they are this funny little word called individuals.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 02:38 PM
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Why not just shoot them as they come off the boat or plane?
Chuck the remains in the channel and send nice letters home once a month....nobody will be the wiser....



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:25 PM
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I sat in a crowded waiting room a couple of years back in the cardiac department of a busy London teaching hospital. Now, i for one would have sat there all day as i am thankful to still be alive. However this is what transpired.
I was the only white person in a room of about 60 people. The nurse at the desk came over and apologised for the wait as the consultants were stuck in traffic and were running about 15 minutes late. Oh MY God, you should have heard the commotion. They just didn't stop moaning and berating the hospital. I couldn't believe it. I thought, 'how bloody selfish can you be?!!!' I sat there biting my tongue. I am not racist, far from it, but other than seeing foreigners spitting on the street ... know what i mean? ... some cultures find that socially acceptable. Most people i know do not. That was my experience and it wasn't very nice. I felt very uncomfortable in that waiting room and if this is how it is no wonder white people can't wait to get away! Most black people i know and work with are lovely, but as many are difficult and very arrogant. Quite often i have heard them say they are here to bleed the system and have properties in other countries. Nice? Especially when the indigenous population get treated like # as well by the powers that be. Black people were the only ones in history treated so appallingly. My jewish friend can tell some horrific stories. My ancestors didn't have it too clever either. All the females were in service and were treated worse than dogs, long hours for pennies.
i guess the Queen maybe the only one left if things carry on like this and she won't have to go far to visit her subjects from the commonwealth, will she? I moved away to the home counties 20 years ago,but despite all the filthy high streets and chicken and chip shops, I still love the place and it will always be home to me. Don't think i could live there, unless there is room in the Shard! Working there is bareable lol



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by FreedomEntered

I was addressing the op who is kinda making out that white londoners are a bunch of racist who are leaving because of immigrants.


Not wanting to live in a neighborhood that is now dominated by third world cultures, restaurants catering to third world tastes and temples servicing third world religions doesn't make a person a racist.

If it did, 99% of the Labour and Liberal Democrat MPs would be racists.


Labour MP Harriet Harmon wears a stab proof vest while touring her South London constituency.

Harriet Harman dons stab-proof vest to tour her constituency

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posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by stirling

Why not just shoot them as they come off the boat or plane?


Why not just stop making up straw men and engage in honest debate?


strawman:

By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate.

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Your dishonesty is undermining rational debate. But then, that was your intention.



posted on Mar, 5 2013 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by Agarta
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I love how they state

white Brits are now in a minority in London, making up just 45% of its residents.


How does 45% of a population constitute a minority when the other 55% is made up of MINORITIES?

Mixed 405,279 5.0% = Minority
Asian 1,511,546 18.4% = Minority
Black 1,088,640 13.3% = Minority
Arab 106,020 1.3% = Minority
Any other ethnic group 175,021 2.1% = Minority(all above = 40.1%)
White 4,887,435 59.8% = Not a Minority even if White British 3,669,284 44.9%

Source


45% in my book is still less than half which means a minority compared to other races. Call me racist I DON'T CARE! When an area loses its original appeal due to other groups coming into that area then it means one has to either change their perspective on things or change their location. Looks like many brits decided to change their location. Also says that maybe, just maybe, multiculturism isn't all that it's cut out to be. sure wouldn't want to live in an area where my language has lost its place.

And with all of that, there was some foolhere on ats from melbourne who was bagging me out for not wanting this sort of thing happening here in Australia. A walk through lakemba in sydney is an eye opener, no shops with english on their windows or above the doors. If you can't read squiggle then you don't know what they're selling.

My daughter taught ballet to a group of little kids. There was one chinese kid who had 2 left feet. To encourage her, my daughter gave her an award for trying hard. When the kid showed it to her mum when she was picked up, the mother said, "of course dear, you know we are better than whites" And they call whites racist



posted on Mar, 6 2013 @ 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by Gadsden2014
reply to post by JuniorDisco
 


I will accept your theory when I start hearing of Polish Catholic priests on street corners inciting Catholics to violence. Your leftist urge to treat all cultures as equal has led to your nation and mine to become cesspools. At some point, the pendulum will begin to swing the other way. At that time, "cultural corrections" will be made.



What theory? What on earth are you talking about? I'm not a leftist and I certainly don't 'treat all cultures equally'.

If you're going to contribute to a discussion it's best to at least attempt to have some shred of reason and accuracy, rather than just assuming things fit your violent racial fantasies.

And presumably your "cultural corrections" won't be non-vioelnt. How ironic.





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