BBC News: Why have the white British left London?

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posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 12:39 PM
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In the first decade of the new millennium 620,000 white people, the equivalent of the population of Glasgow or Belfast, left London, reports the BBC.

The BBC News report states


The consequence, as revealed by the latest census, is that white Brits are now in a minority in London, making up just 45% of its residents.

The movement of the white British is often characterised as white flight - the indigenous population forced out of their neighbourhoods by foreign migrants. That may be part of the story, but I think the evidence suggests it is also about working class aspiration and economic success.

It would appear that, in the first decade of the 21st Century, the dream of escaping to the country became a reality for tens of thousands of urban white Britons. But did they leave willingly or were they forced to move?

BBC News


The BBC article goes on to argue that many white British people were left with a lot of equity in their houses and choose to move to the coast.

I find that argument unconvincing. If white people had a lot of equity in their houses and choose to move out of London for that reason, then why didn't the second and third generation immigrants do the same?

The Highest rated comments at the bottom of the BBC page argue that white people have been pushed out by immigrants. The highest ranking posts mention areas becoming so Asian orientated that white people feel strangers in the place they were born. The recent episode where Muslim 'vigilantes' were castigating a man for not being Muslim is the top comment. Another top post mentions a person being prompted to move due to being sick of the muggings and robberies as he saw his area change over the last 25 years.

What is interesting is the strength of anti-mass immigration feeling of the top comments. Recently, the anti EU and anti-mass immigration party the UKIP came second in the Eastleigh by-election, polling 28% and pushing the Conservative party into 3rd place.

Ukip takes second place in by-elections

Is something about to give in the UK?

I am of the opinion that the underlying problem is that white people are not having enough children, hence the need for immigrants. Immigration in itself is not a bad thing. Mass immigration and a lack of cultural assimilation may be.

I should explain that my partner is of a different race and my son is mixed race, so I hope I am not accused of being a bigot or racist. Sensible comments only.

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posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 12:47 PM
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We are a dying breed in our own country. We've gone from 2.4 children as an average reproduction rate per family down to 1.9 children per family. In real terms, that equates to a declining indigenous population. The increase in the UK population in recent years has to be almost certainly immigration driven.

Not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, just an observation.



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 12:47 PM
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The irony is the type of white people leaving london for the most part are scum, and they're not much wanted in the places they're moving to. They're bringing lots of crime, drugs and a dole-dossing culture.

It's the worst of london who are fleeing. The racist underclass.



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 12:51 PM
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I know I'll get slammed for this, but this entire article is racist, and intended to stir white pride in the UK.

First off, the statistic about white Brits leaving London doesn't take into account their destinations. Could they be retiring to the countryside, or taking a job in Paris, New York, etc? Simply saying white Brits are leaving London is misleading. There are many non-white Brits that leave London annually for the very reasons I stated.

Then the article goes on to find the most xenophobic reactions and tout them as general opinion. I'm sorry, this article is just awful and ignorant.


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posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by GrandStrategy
The irony is the type of white people leaving london for the most part are scum, and they're not much wanted in the places they're moving to. They're bringing lots of crime, drugs and a dole-dossing culture.

It's the worst of london who are fleeing. The racist underclass.


Care to back that with some stats or you just generalising for the sake of it? Not saying your speaking rubbish but those people that you talk about very rarely move out of the areas they were brought up in. Mostly down to lack of money seeing as they are all "dole-dossing" as you so kindly put it. Social mobility usually comes to those with skills looking for a better quality of life.


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posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 12:58 PM
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It's quite obviously white flight to get away from all the unwanted migrants.

However impartial and politically correct, there comes a point when people have had enough.

This isn't simple racism, it's more about the strong need to be amongst one's own ethnocultural group...virtually impossible now in London.

But it's happening in all British cities (I live in one of them), and of course, there isn't a murmur of criticism because people don't want to be 'racist'.
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posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by threewisemonkeys
We are a dying breed in our own country. We've gone from 2.4 children as an average reproduction rate per family down to 1.9 children per family. In real terms, that equates to a declining indigenous population. The increase in the UK population in recent years has to be almost certainly immigration driven.

Not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, just an observation.


I applaud the smart people of the UK, for not having litters of children they can't afford. That's better than the Baby's Mommas in the U.S. pumping out 7 or more kids on welfare.....

Des



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 01:10 PM
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Im all for immigrants and hate the mentality of "This is my country" but I say that with the caveat of being all for a certain type of immigrant.

Any country should be pleased to have people who want to move there, work hard, assimilate and make a good life for themselves and their families.

Sadly I hear from many of my Pommie mates that the migrants that make up either the majority or very vocal minority dont fit into this category.

Crime seems to be the main thing they bring along with a desire to change the countries laws.
The people I hear this from are all white but not racists or bigots as they are all living as expats in an Asian country and for the most part are dating/marrying locals.

Immigration should be done on a probationary basis, you get 12 months to get a job and learn the language, You dont do this its back to where you came from, you or any of your dependants commit a crime its back to where you came from.

Employ this and many issues go away



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by DaTroof
I know I'll get slammed for this, but this entire article is racist, and intended to stir white pride in the UK.

Then the article goes on to find the most xenophobic reactions and tout them as general opinion. I'm sorry, this article is just awful and ignorant.


The article cites the highest rated opinions.

You are either being intentionally misleading or you have made a mistake. The opinions cited in the OP are the most popular opinions responding to the BBC article.

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posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 01:18 PM
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As a former London resident I can honestly say that living among the diverse ethnic groups there was the best 15 years of my life. Sadly, the influx of immigrants in my area (most of whom didn't speak a word of English) put such a strain on our local GP surgeries that my disabled wife's medical needs became something that could no longer be treated effectively in that area. So rather than move to another London postcode and risk having the same thing happen again, we decided to move to Cornwall.

Now, my wife gets excellent care from our local GP, our local Pharmacy delivers all ordered medication the day after we request it (something that never happened in London) and our care budget is also larger which means that I actually get a couple of hours off every day from my caring duties, which is something our old NHS Trust just didn't have the budget for.

London used to be an awesome city to live in, but now I'd rather leave it and it's problems to the tourists and the immigrants, while I enjoy a nice quiet life in one of the most beautiful villages in Cornwall.

Rev



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 01:27 PM
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I love how they state

white Brits are now in a minority in London, making up just 45% of its residents.


How does 45% of a population constitute a minority when the other 55% is made up of MINORITIES?

Mixed 405,279 5.0% = Minority
Asian 1,511,546 18.4% = Minority
Black 1,088,640 13.3% = Minority
Arab 106,020 1.3% = Minority
Any other ethnic group 175,021 2.1% = Minority(all above = 40.1%)
White 4,887,435 59.8% = Not a Minority even if White British 3,669,284 44.9%

Source



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Agarta

How does 45% of a population constitute a minority when the other 55% is made up of MINORITIES?



If current trends continue, whites will become a minority in the UK at large by 2066

White Britons to become minority by 2066

I do agree however that some definitions of the word minority suggest that the largest group, even if less than 50% of the population, is not a minority.

Whatever definition of the word minority we choose to uses, it is clear that the UK is undergoing a major change of national identity.


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posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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I am sure the BBC are thrilled with the result of this census, and will be happier still when foreigners make up 100% of the population in our capital city. I wonder how they will feel about the multicultural experiment in 20 years time, when londonistan is under sharia law..



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by mclarenmp4

Originally posted by GrandStrategy
The irony is the type of white people leaving london for the most part are scum, and they're not much wanted in the places they're moving to. They're bringing lots of crime, drugs and a dole-dossing culture.

It's the worst of london who are fleeing. The racist underclass.


Care to back that with some stats or you just generalising for the sake of it? Not saying your speaking rubbish but those people that you talk about very rarely move out of the areas they were brought up in. Mostly down to lack of money seeing as they are all "dole-dossing" as you so kindly put it. Social mobility usually comes to those with skills looking for a better quality of life.


There are no facts, people haven't done studies so specific, it's just my experience with the sort of Londoners you find fleeing London. They come up north expecting to find some all white BNP paradise. Anecdotal.

I've got no idea why they're coming up here but they're here, abusing welfare, stood outside the bookies at 10am with their super strength lager in hand, talking about how bad it is in london with all the n-word this, n-word that.

Council doesn't seem to mind giving them houses, maybe that's why they're moving up here? Send 'em home, that's what I say.



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Atzil321
I am sure the BBC are thrilled with the result of this census, and will be happier still when foreigners make up 100% of the population in our capital city. I wonder how they will feel about the multicultural experiment in 20 years time, when londonistan is under sharia law..


You always hear people complaining about the growing number of muslims because of immigration

Nobody seems to notice the massive influx of christians, it's a much larger influx than muslims, as it goes. The Eastern Europeans and Africans arriving here are mainly christian.

I'd say immigration is one of the few things that is keeping Christianity relevant. Be careful what you wish for. There are so few British born Christians left that it would be a genuine atheist takeover if the borders were ever closed.



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Nobody seems to notice the massive influx of christians, it's a much larger influx than muslims, as it goes. The Eastern Europeans and Africans arriving here are mainly christian.

I'd say immigration is one of the few things that is keeping Christianity relevant. Be careful what you wish for. There are so few British born Christians left that it would be a genuine atheist takeover if the borders were ever closed.


I don't think that most folk are that worried about the demise of Christianity.

Many people on the other hand are worried about the impact of mass immigration, no matter whether Muslim or Christian, East European or African.

A common comment is that the country is full!



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 02:25 PM
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I am a white British Londoner who had to leave. It is complicated and to be honest I would be uncomfortable discussing all the reasons here. But I felt I had to leave, I had had enough and I feel sad and a bit angry about it.

Crowding / crowded out / pushed out / out priced etc etc etc



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by GrandStrategy
I've got no idea why they're coming up here but they're here, abusing welfare, stood outside the bookies at 10am with their super strength lager in hand, talking about how bad it is in london with all the n-word this, n-word that.

Council doesn't seem to mind giving them houses, maybe that's why they're moving up here? Send 'em home, that's what I say.


I have been told that by law, immigrants who claim to be fleeing persecution go to the head of the housing queue. In other words, councils must keep a number of houses empty to accommodate asylum seekers and the like.

Asylum seekers are supposed to seek sanctuary in the nearest safe country. Somehow or other, asylum seekers end up in the UK after miraculously crossing whole continents without seeking sanctuary.

Then they get a council house. Those 10am bookie types are lucky to find a place to live.



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 02:48 PM
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Baseless.

'White Britons?' When has the colour of skin been an accurate record of ones origins? Many so-called white Britons have family all over Europe, themselves often only a few generations here. And in case anyone didn't know, there have been plenty of non white Britons here in the uk for far far longer.

How far back does one need to go to call themselves British? Why is 'white' Britain touted as more authentic than 'mixed' Britain? Because that is what Britain is and always has been, a long history of being invaded, a nation of mongrels. Now the mongrels think they have a pedigree? And that is whiteness...

Where have we heard this before...



posted on Mar, 4 2013 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by spacedog1973

Why is 'white' Britain touted as more authentic than 'mixed' Britain? Because that is what Britain is and always has been, a long history of being invaded, a nation of mongrels. Now the mongrels think they have a pedigree? And that is whiteness...


It is certainly a liberal myth that the UK is a nation with a long history of being invaded and hence are a nation of mongrels.

In reality, 75% of the UK's genetic stock arrived here between 15,000 and 7,500 years ago at the end of the last ice age. While a certain level of immigration from the continent has occurred, it is easy to overstate the level of immigration from abroad in the last 6,000 years or so.

Myths of British Ancestry

Certainly what is true is that the UK is undergoing a level of immigration that is unprecedented in its history. Many people are deeply concerned about that fact.





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