Originally posted by phyllida
I get the impression rightly or wrongly, that you are possibly from a nice area of middle England with barely an ethnic minority to speak of.
Wrongly! I'm actually from central East London.
I can only speak from actual experience which I believe counts for far more than news reports or years of Government brainwashing into acceptance
Translation: I trust my ability to estimate highly technical data like numbers of immigrants, crime rates etc from what I see around me. No
"evidence" or "facts" is going to sway me.
This no go for whites is rarely spoken about in the media, but those of us who live there know exactly what the score is... All 4 were in hospital for
2 days and despite agreeing to press charges no arrests were ever made and the police didn't visit them again.
I'm sorry to hear about your parents. I actually have family in Leeds and surrounds and I'm certainly not pretending that there aren't tensions.
But you must acknowledge that the violence and intimidation is hardly a one-way street? My cousin is married to an asian academic and they have had to
move several times because of assaults and, in one case, a campaign by his neighbours alleging he was in Al Qaida. He's a mild-mannered lecturer and
If you look at the actual racial makeup of many of the areas you mention, they are not actually completely asian. Even in the most 'Asian' borough
in Britain 35 per cent (roughly, I'm going from memory) of people are still white.
Those areas have now been taken over by the Pakistani population and the whites have been forced out, the price of the houses has plummetted leaving
the houses almost worthless but within easy reach of the large Pakistani families...
But this has to do not with immigration but political neglect and industrial decay. Are you saying that immigrants caused the mills to close?
We aren't talking of qualified Polish Dentists here, we are talking Romanian gypsies and peasants and the same goes for the Albanians. Strange
that so many other countries can have stringent immigration requirements but alas not good old Britain because hey that's racist....the word of this
With respect, do you know anything about our immigration requirements? They are much more stringent than you might think. And I note you ignored my
question about the benefits an immigrant can expect. In surveys this is almost always overestimated.
The picture you have of vast numbers of unskilled, criminal dole bludgers coming over is just not true. And here I'm speaking from my experience, in
the construction trade, and from living in central London for years. There are bad apples, yes, but there are lots of people who work hard and
contribute, whether skilled or not. Without them our economy would be in much worse shape.
Well we managed for years without mass immigration and didn't appear "dull".
I note you insert the term "mass". Do you want some immigration then? Or none at all?
You cannot force people to accept other cultures just because you think they should or just because it makes running the country far easier.
You just suggested it made it harder, with crime etc. So why do you think it makes it easier?
But what I don't get is what you have to 'accept' about another culture when, say, a Romanian comes to live here? Why does that put you out? I
don't mean financially, but culturally. Why doesit infuriate you so much, that you feel driven to violence?
I don't recognise the pessimistic picture you paint, of people not getting along. Like I say, I live in a normal working class area of London, and
people pretty much mix with no regard for background. I work with a Bulgarian, Romanians, a couple of Scots, a German and several other Europeans. We
all get along fine, and very rarely have to fight each other, or even "accept" each other's culture.
We are not one race, we are many
That's not really true, is it? We're all human.
If you have the attitude that you have above, that immigrants are mostly criminals, that their ways are disgusting, and that their presence is
offensive, then you are likely to encounter hostility right back. What else would you expect? But if you take the attitude that they are just people,
you tend to start to see similarities instead of division.
and like it or lump it folk will still dislike/hate each other.
Loads of English people hate each other as well. It's not tribal/racial divisions that make people fight each other.
Or do you think if there were no immigrants we would all magically get along?
otherwise why would the immigrants still be flocking here?
A welcoming attitude? Not from you obviously...
No, I'm joking - money.