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posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by JuniorDisco

That says nothing of the sort.


I realize now that you didn't answer the question. You were just being evasive.

Have you considered a career in politics?




posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 09:15 AM
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posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 09:25 AM
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I get the impression rightly or wrongly, that you are possibly from a nice area of middle England with barely an ethnic minority to speak of. I can only speak from actual experience which I believe counts for far more than news reports or years of Government brainwashing into acceptance regardless.




Where? Name an area where a "white person cannot go".

Halifax Gibbet Street and Other areas around there.
Bradford Lumb Lane Whetley Hill Manningham Lane Leeds Road and many more
Dewsbury most parts
etc etc
This no go for whites is rarely spoken about in the media, but those of us who live there know exactly what the score is, and on the sly so do the police. My own parents who were in their 60's were attacked and beaten by Pakistanis weilding baseball bats because they and 2 friends were parked in the wrong area of town going to a meeting at the University. The Police's reaction? "Do you really want to press charges as the noise it will create and publicity will be detrimental to Bradfords multicultualism?" They were also told that "Really you should be in this area at night". All 4 were in hospital for 2 days and despite agreeing to press charges no arrests were ever made and the police didn't visit them again.

Bradford used to be a rather well to do mill town, with extremely large houses and very posh areas. Those areas have now been taken over by the Pakistani population and the whites have been forced out, the price of the houses has plummetted leaving the houses almost worthless but within easy reach of the large Pakistani families. There also used to be a large Polish community there, and they also have been forced out. The Manningham area was exclusive, my great Aunt was a maid there in the 1940's, now its a slumland.
An old article but still very relevant
bradford town




And there are loads of white British criminals as well.


Just because there are loads of white British criminals, does that mean we should add to the pot by taking in other countries crime lords? Of course there are criminals in every country but unfortunately the people that are making it here usually illegally are the criminals and the ones that make the news. Its far too easy for immigrants to disappear in this country. We aren't talking of qualified Polish Dentists here, we are talking Romanian gypsies and peasants and the same goes for the Albanians. Strange that so many other countries can have stringent immigration requirements but alas not good old Britain because hey that's racist....the word of this century!!




The point of a multicultural society is that everybody is not the same! How dull England would be with no immigrants


Well we seemed to have managed for years without mass immigration and didn't appear "dull".
Multiculturalism doesn't work not in this country not in any country. You cannot force people to accept other cultures just because you think they should or just because it makes running the country far easier. Let's see, the Hindus hate the Sikhs and the Muslims, the Sikhs hate the Hindus and the Muslims, the Muslims hate almost everyone who isn't Muslim, the French hate the Belgians, the Danes hate the Fins, the Greeks hate the Turks, the Sunnis hate the Shi'ites and so it goes on. Its tribal its old but its there. There is no way on earth you could ever EVER get everyone to just "get along and love each other" there is way too much diversity disagreement and history. We are not one race, we are many and like it or lump it folk will still dislike/hate each other. Making laws about it won't solve anything and will only create resentment and an anger simmering under the surface as it is for many now not just in this country either.

As a Sikh friend said to me a few years ago now, "We kicked the Pakistanis out of our country and you went and gave them bloody passports""

Now when it comes to racism there are people and races and cultures far far worse than the good old stiff upper lip Brits, who I might add, I feel have been damn good sports over the years this has been happening and extremely accepting, otherwise why would the immigrants still be flocking here?



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

That says nothing of the sort.


I realize now that you didn't answer the question. You were just being evasive.

Have you considered a career in politics?





What on earth are you talking about? I've answered the question several times. You even agreed with my answer!



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 09:32 AM
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posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:08 AM
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posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by phyllida

I get the impression rightly or wrongly, that you are possibly from a nice area of middle England with barely an ethnic minority to speak of.


Wrongly! I'm actually from central East London.




I can only speak from actual experience which I believe counts for far more than news reports or years of Government brainwashing into acceptance regardless.


Translation: I trust my ability to estimate highly technical data like numbers of immigrants, crime rates etc from what I see around me. No "evidence" or "facts" is going to sway me.




This no go for whites is rarely spoken about in the media, but those of us who live there know exactly what the score is... All 4 were in hospital for 2 days and despite agreeing to press charges no arrests were ever made and the police didn't visit them again.


I'm sorry to hear about your parents. I actually have family in Leeds and surrounds and I'm certainly not pretending that there aren't tensions. But you must acknowledge that the violence and intimidation is hardly a one-way street? My cousin is married to an asian academic and they have had to move several times because of assaults and, in one case, a campaign by his neighbours alleging he was in Al Qaida. He's a mild-mannered lecturer and an atheist!

If you look at the actual racial makeup of many of the areas you mention, they are not actually completely asian. Even in the most 'Asian' borough in Britain 35 per cent (roughly, I'm going from memory) of people are still white.




Those areas have now been taken over by the Pakistani population and the whites have been forced out, the price of the houses has plummetted leaving the houses almost worthless but within easy reach of the large Pakistani families...


But this has to do not with immigration but political neglect and industrial decay. Are you saying that immigrants caused the mills to close?



We aren't talking of qualified Polish Dentists here, we are talking Romanian gypsies and peasants and the same goes for the Albanians. Strange that so many other countries can have stringent immigration requirements but alas not good old Britain because hey that's racist....the word of this century!!


With respect, do you know anything about our immigration requirements? They are much more stringent than you might think. And I note you ignored my question about the benefits an immigrant can expect. In surveys this is almost always overestimated.

The picture you have of vast numbers of unskilled, criminal dole bludgers coming over is just not true. And here I'm speaking from my experience, in the construction trade, and from living in central London for years. There are bad apples, yes, but there are lots of people who work hard and contribute, whether skilled or not. Without them our economy would be in much worse shape.




Well we managed for years without mass immigration and didn't appear "dull".


I note you insert the term "mass". Do you want some immigration then? Or none at all?


You cannot force people to accept other cultures just because you think they should or just because it makes running the country far easier.


You just suggested it made it harder, with crime etc. So why do you think it makes it easier?

But what I don't get is what you have to 'accept' about another culture when, say, a Romanian comes to live here? Why does that put you out? I don't mean financially, but culturally. Why doesit infuriate you so much, that you feel driven to violence?

I don't recognise the pessimistic picture you paint, of people not getting along. Like I say, I live in a normal working class area of London, and people pretty much mix with no regard for background. I work with a Bulgarian, Romanians, a couple of Scots, a German and several other Europeans. We all get along fine, and very rarely have to fight each other, or even "accept" each other's culture.




We are not one race, we are many


That's not really true, is it? We're all human.

If you have the attitude that you have above, that immigrants are mostly criminals, that their ways are disgusting, and that their presence is offensive, then you are likely to encounter hostility right back. What else would you expect? But if you take the attitude that they are just people, you tend to start to see similarities instead of division.




and like it or lump it folk will still dislike/hate each other.


Loads of English people hate each other as well. It's not tribal/racial divisions that make people fight each other.

Or do you think if there were no immigrants we would all magically get along?


otherwise why would the immigrants still be flocking here?


A welcoming attitude? Not from you obviously...


No, I'm joking - money.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:15 AM
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posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:18 AM
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Yikes! what an astounding piece of word twisting and mis-interpretation! And may I add over simplification!

I can see that you clearly have your views and I have mine so will leave it at that.Arguing over such issues is pretty pointless anyway it solves nothing and I learned as I grew old changing someone's mind or opinions is really not on the agenda.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by JuniorDisco

Translation: I trust my ability to estimate highly technical data like numbers of immigrants, crime rates etc from what I see around me. No "evidence" or "facts" is going to sway me.


Yet, you have presented no evidence or facts that is inconsistent or in any way disproves what the poster has described to you after seeing it with her own eyes.

You argue that highly technical data proves her wrong. Yet, you present none. Instead, you are reduced to launching a vague attack on her character.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 11:00 AM
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Ahh so its ok for you to speak from YOUR experience but not me to speak from mine?

One question, would it change your viewpoint about immigration in general, and Pakistanis in particular, if
your parents were beaten with baseball bats
your 22yr old daughter was mugged and beaten for being in the wrong area at 6pm coming home from work
your son was knocked off his pushbike on his way to work and had his bike trainers and phone stolen by 5 Pakistani youths
you were spat on in the Kirkgate shopping centre by Pakistani youths from above because you were white
you were told not to kick up a fuss by the police as they didn't want any racist backlash
your local services all have to put up signs in urdu as so few immigrants spoke any English except when it came to claiming benefits when miraculously their English improved greatly
if you as a solicitor were offered bribes in order to get their cousin/sister/aunt/uncle into the country quicker
if you as a female on a night out were told you deserved to be raped
if the new game in town was pretending to be a taxi driver and picking up drunk girls and driving them to pre arranged points for gang rape

I have the opinions I do because of experience. I can only go on that. You get what you put out and sorry but whether you like it or agree, the Pakistani youths in my area have been given more or less a free rein to do as they please without consequences for fear that they will scream racism and they know it all too well !!!

You could replace the word Pakistani above with any other nationality, if those things were happening it wouldn't matter to me what race they were.

As usual in this country, we go too far. We take a good intention and drive it home with a mallet and then wonder at the results!



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by CJCrawley

I'm obviously bigoted, am I? The only bigoted poster on the thread, indeed.



I'm not certain of this. But I'm certain you're a bigot, yes.



Originally posted by CJCrawley

Do feel free to provide evidence for this.



I already have.


"You're a bigot! You're a bigot! Na-na-na-na-na, you're a bigot!" doesn't constitute evidence, but if that's all you've got....

And what in the name of Moses is a "bigot" in any case?

I'm afraid you'll have to translate - I'm not fluent in Labourspeak (and I only have a smattering of Serbo-Croat)



Where have I said I'm in favour of mass immigration?


Oh, so you're not?

I must have imagined it.

What are we arguing about then?



That doesn't make Britain a "white" country. And yes, you are a bigot if you think it does.


Oh brother, here we go again.

I almost haven't the energy.

Ok Dick Tracy, who said this:

"But the vast, vast majority of Britain remains overwhelmingly white and culturally 'British'."

"Of course I know that most people who live and have lived in Britain have been white."

Correctamundo!

So - if this isn't too much of a logical leap for you - if the "vast majority" (your words) of a country's population are white.......I guess that must mean it's a white country?

Stop me if I've made a mistake.



Originally posted by CJCrawley Oh but they wouldn't be Indian people going back home, would they?


No. Because then they wouldn't require a visa, would they?


They would if they weren't Indian nationals. Many Indians aren't.

Indian children not born in India, for example.

Are you honestly saying that all those 200,000 applicants are white westerners?

Doubt it, baby.



I suspect when you say "multicultural" you actually mean "why aren't there more white people there".


Yes.

And black people, and oriental people.

According to the wiki page on Delhi, the ethnicity is Punjabi and Hindi.

Doesn't sound like there's an awful lot of anyone but Indians.



Your argument amounts to this. "Delhi and Islamabad don't have many white people per capita because the locals don't like white people. I know this because there aren't many white people there. India is as rich, if not richer than the UK, so their absence can't be for economic reasons"


Dress it up any way you like, baby.

When their population is as 'multicultural' as ours, I'll shut up.

Not because I agree, but at least mass immigration would be conducted on a more level playing field.



I imagine you don't mind most Eastern Europeans coming to Britain then? And since they make up the vast majority of the "half million" you mentioned earlier I'm not sure why you're employing that figure.


No, I do mind. I'm against mass immigration, chump.

And you know the "vast majority" are from Eastern Europe?

When bandying around statistics on an internet forum, it's best to be sure of one's sources.



The International Passenger Survey estimates shows India as the top country for people coming to the UK with 11.9% of all immigrants. It's followed by Pakistan, (5.8%), Poland (5.4%), Australia (5.2%) and China (5.2%).

www.guardian.co.uk...

Someone hasn't been reading their Guardian.......













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posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 12:52 PM
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the Pakistani youths in my area have been given more or less a free rein to do as they please without consequences for fear that they will scream racism and they know it all too well !!!


Everyone who lives in the real world knows exactly what you are saying, because many of us have suffered it.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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Problem being that no-one now dare say a word. We simply have to put up and shut up. Sorry but I'm just not that type of person as you may have gathered!
Anti discrimination laws were needed and an excellent idea, its just been taken wayyyy too far as usual by liberal do-gooders living in Little Rosetreeville or wherever, who don't have a clue about the world most of us live in.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 03:05 PM
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liberal do-gooders living in Little Rosetreeville or wherever, who don't have a clue about the world most of us live in.


There are still vast swathes of rural Britain which are untouched by the disease of mass immigration. You can bet your life that many comfortable, middle class, white villages contain a goodly number of champagne socialists who have yet to be 'enriched' by it.

But that day will come.

And wont that be interesting.....



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 03:17 PM
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That's the trouble. Only the working class get saddled with all the rubbish while the rich get to profit from wages kept low by mass immigration.

That said. I certainly wouldn't think of all members of a particular ethnic group or religion as bad.
I'm 44 and have had way more white English people get me mad than any other group.
The law here doesn't work anymore. If someone crosses you best off sorting things out quick and dirty without bothering the political police.



posted on Mar, 8 2013 @ 05:54 PM
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The point of a multicultural society is that everybody is not the same! How dull England would be with no immigrants


I like dull.

Dull is good.

I remember dull in the 1960s.

You can't beat it with a stick.



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 05:34 AM
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One term that makes me want to vomit, is when "diversity robots" and "multi cultural fascists" parrot the term

"diversity enriches the very fabric of our society"

What a horrible term, if race does not matter then how are we any more or less "diverse" than the 60s?

Aren't all individuals inherently "diverse"


What has occurred in the uk in the last 15/20 years is a national disgrace, so many traitors in so many places



Who knows how this will play out....



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 06:44 AM
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there is scum in every race/religion/country. there always will be.

I have known plenty of white British people that were pure scum so its not just immigrants that are trouble makers. we all do it, so to speak.

I do a lot of work for Muslims, Pakistanis, Turkish, white British, black British, Chinese and so many more and they all pay and are all nice people.

I do think immigration needs to stop now though. we have done our bit and we don't need any more people claiming money etc.

those are just my views. not looking for a debate or an argument. oh and I live in Peterborough in the east mids, high level of immigrants there.

enjoy your weekend people


 
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