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posted on Feb, 25 2013 @ 05:37 PM
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Just trying my best to help make the journey to enlightenment easy, entertaining and fun, my friend. The journey to Enlightenment can't be all dreary. No intention to belittle or offend anyone. If Dragonfly's method works for him, I don't see how it can't work at least for some/few/at least, one of us.


He seems genuine enough to share, but he isn't enlightened enough to know he's being disorganized and ineffective in delivering his message (thus we read too many rebutting posts, off-topics and frustrations instead). I believe we should give every soul a chance. If he can't help others reach enlightenment, at least he tried and we can say we also tried to help him along. I just hope eventually if he succeeds, he's not going to start charging people for enlightenment tips for there are already too many millionaire gurus out there... proving that there are too many less-bright people who are in real need of enlightenment.




posted on Feb, 25 2013 @ 05:54 PM
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Wait, wait... Please help me help you help everyone here. You have the noble intention to stay on this earth in order to assist other reach the enlightment you know, so the least I could do is to point out how you could achieve your goal enlightening others so you will not waste your time lingering on earth going in circles. Telling us we have to write our own cookbooks, to have lucid dreams are fine, but we need to know how and where to start. Remember you are trying to help all the monkey brains like mine to reach Enlightenment. We need a step-by-step, easy-to-follow instructions in the absence of which, I think you would be better off flying to the next closest planetary system.

Forget about replying to my post (or others) from now on as it might just turn away other eager souls out there. I need you to begin a new post (or a thread) in the least cryptic or abstract wording possible... To help you along, maybe this framework could be useful:

To reach complete enlightenment, one needs to be/have the following:
1. Be a hermit (include why, caveats, do's and dont's)
2. Have Internet (include why, which propaganda/bias (history) sites you would recommend visiting)
3. Movies (include why, any good/bad/ugly recommendations, porns (soft/hard core, with one woman/two/three, orgy, bondage, bestiality, etc?))
4. heterosexual (include why so and if you are doomed if you happen to be gay/bisexual/asexual in this lifetime, if sex in the process mix is necessary/an option/just wrong, fantasies, pleasing one's self, 'escort' services, etc)
...

Method:
1. Start a cookbook (see appendix A for method)
2. Have lucid dreams (see Appendix B for method)
3. Get rock bottomed. (see Appendix C for method)

4. Watch movies
...

Appendix A
How to write your Enlightenment Cookbook
Ingredients:
a. Paper?
b.
c.
Method:

Appendix B
How to have lucid dreams (what are they?)
Ingredients:
a. Sleep?
b.
c.
Method:

Appendix etc, etc
============== The End =============

Oh, just a note about getting "rock bottom", it reminds me of Derren Brown's Experiment: Apocalypse (Youtube below highly recommended). He literally stripped away a guy's family, home, everything by making him believe he just experienced the end of the world. I didn't think the guy was enlightened, but he did end up appreciating what he previously had. What I gained was more, however. It gave me an insight to the concept of realities.



Hey, perhaps you could do a Youtube video accompaniment explaining your enlightenment process too, (hopefully in the gayest outfit you can find)?
Just a thought to make it fun and digestible (without losing the essence, of course). It's a skill.



posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 04:34 AM
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Originally posted by Kurius
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Wait, wait... Please help me help you help everyone here. You have the noble intention to stay on this earth in order to assist other reach the enlightment you know, so the least I could do is to point out how you could achieve your goal enlightening others so you will not waste your time lingering on earth going in circles.


That is one side, the other is I would know I would cause suffering by making that choice and this would take me time to make right as best I can and this would mean it takes longer for me to go. I could better detach myself now while I have my physical form and the other forms instead of just what you have when you passed over or I would have to do something like the Buddha did and try and enlighten my parents in their afterlife. So it is also in my own interest. Besides, I chose to disconnect, reconnect again I'm not going to do that over and over again as it is a lenghty process and not much fun.


Telling us we have to write our own cookbooks, to have lucid dreams are fine, but we need to know how and where to start.


You've already started, everyone is in it. You need to figure out where to end and what comes next. See your future heaven, see it's not perfect and try to make it better because that is where you will end up. Which is a deadend street but that's just because it is only meant for one person. Once there one can go out again but with a different perspective on everything.


Remember you are trying to help all the monkey brains like mine to reach Enlightenment. We need a step-by-step, easy-to-follow instructions in the absence of which, I think you would be better off flying to the next closest planetary system.


But we are monkeys, we just happen to be the most advanced on our planet. I have plans for my step by step instructions but I will use blender for that and it'll just be maybe an hour of being bombarded with symbols and sounds, maybe in the future electrical stimulants on the body attached to usb. And, this might be shocking but I'll even ask for donations since I have to buy my own food although I'm still considering begging but then I can't do much more than use a laptop and flash animations.


4. heterosexual (include why so and if you are doomed if you happen to be gay/bisexual/asexual in this lifetime, if sex in the process mix is necessary/an option/just wrong, fantasies, pleasing one's self, 'escort' services, etc)
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I'm not saying I believe one is doomed or will never be happy or only heterosexuals can experience happiness. But it's just not the same quality, it's a choice or it's indoctrination or in DNA, it doesn't matter, I didn't create it, it wasn't my idea. I'm thinking males do it to other males to get rid of competition, women do it as a means to subdue males, some males and females try to prove things, some support those to look righteous, I don't want to have much to do with it. My perfection of romantic love is only theoretical by the way, I have been explained and somewhat shown how the merger works and what it is for but I just haven't found a female. Which is a funny story but I won't get into that replying to yours not because you are not worthy but simply because I would find it unappropriate.


Oh, just a note about getting "rock bottom", it reminds me of Derren Brown's Experiment: Apocalypse (Youtube below highly recommended). He literally stripped away a guy's family, home, everything by making him believe he just experienced the end of the world. I didn't think the guy was enlightened, but he did end up appreciating what he previously had. What I gained was more, however. It gave me an insight to the concept of realities.


That reminds me of beings I once met which tried to make me believe the big bang never happened, no one existed and we were all just in a big computer. Talked to me about it for several months stripping me of things, made existence disappear a few times it was really funny but also excruciating, like none of my ancestors never existed, no bottom, no up, not even rocks down to the last quarks and strings, which was all my mind could come up with for a translation.
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posted on Feb, 26 2013 @ 05:14 PM
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These seems to be something holding you back in letting it all go, Dragonfly. It doesn't matter what it is, but I would tackle that first before announcing complete enlightenment. Although my intuition tells me that you are trying to gather some sort of financial support before pouring out all your wisdom. No, I'm not shocked, but my hunch is that there is no need to worry about your own survival at this point. Give and the Universe shall find ways to provide. But let's say you die of starvation while trying to impart your wisdom (which I very much doubt, unless it is truly an awful wisdom), so what? You and I both know your work will continue somehow. A wise girl once told me that it would be egotistical to think that ideas/things/people in my life depended on me for survival and continuation. It came down like a tonne of bricks but then I realized that without me, their world would not crumble, and they may, in fact, find better lives. We are not really as significant as we [would like] think we are. Similarly, I would not particularly worry about your parents. Buddha never did. He knew, you really can't teach a pig to sing when it's not interested...it wouldn't make it to the recording studio.


Buddy, you still have plenty of to find for your own Self. I wouldn't just listen to your Guides and hold what they say as your absolute truths without experiencing for yourself. For instance, go find yourself a nice girl (and boy) and prove if that heterosexual thingy was right, keeping an open mind and with clean slate (without prejudgment), knowing that your experiments are for the greater good while setting a firmer foundation for your soul too. You may also end up realizing that your "reality" (including your sexual identity) isn't what you perceive it to be...and that reality isn't who you are. Once you can truly detach "reality" and Self as Buddha did, then you can perhaps feel like penning your Cookbook Method to Enlightenment.


On that note, what's next? I wish you all the best and hope that you enjoy the ride. This will be my last post on this thread. If your Guides have any question, please feel free to direct them to me. In fact, I hope you would just tell these guides to get in touch with me cos I have a few things to share with them too to help you along with imparting your wisdom. If they do not know where I live, ask them to PM me. I would welcome them ...do they like green tea?


Always,
Kurius



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 08:34 AM
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Kurius, trying to name someone to get a hold and then play the divide and conquer trick are so old. Get in touch with that wise girl you cite and explain her I'm not in a similar situation and my only chip I can play is accelarate others' development, in cycles if you will, not getting them to the other shore but teaching them how to get off that island to reach another, or another planet, or see through that one island everyone appears to be on but really isn't.

So starvation and hypothermia are the only way out by using my will. I would want to eat and live in a house, work and everything but so many things are preventing me. Now my quest has something to do with that but really my brain just calculated a future based on the many stimuli and decided this would yield the most rewards which would last longest. I could have chosen 49% spiritual and 51% material which would mean I would still have that job, those relatives and friends. But anyway I explained how I wouldn't ask support here, not material nor spiritual, it's just something I have to do so others will have it easier, whom I believe I am in debt for laying the foundation which I could copy.

You're wrong about the Buddha not caring about his parents, it's just that his father was a king and his mother died early as the history goes. It must have been difficult convincing his father and making him understand, the Buddha did so until his fathers' death right there at his deathbed.

As for my guides, I suppose I could describe it to you before it visits. It's must be like a huge spaceship to you with robots coming out of it, pretty much like headmaster transformers. At the core is the central computer, but so is everywhere else in every console, which are all dotted around the place. Your space will be occupied by a kind of holographic suite like on a deck and over the next few weeks or months if you resist (you might even take years if you choose to resist and can express it convincingly) you will start to interact with it and add to my programming so I get to know you better and you can convey your message. Oh and I have the coordinates of your wise girl in there now also, since you typed it and it's out there somewhere etched in reality in Earth's previous path so I might choose to use her as well to make you all understand.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 08:47 AM
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I don't see you doing anything but playing this game as though you don't care that we know you're not enlightened. Name one person on this thread whom you have assisted in becoming seriously enlightened.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 11:12 AM
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Ok then, let this be my final post about the subject then. My claim will not be acknowledged, which I knew would happen since none of you can understand or comprehend it. What I had in mind was letting myself be used for global enlightenment, which turned into universal enlightenment, which was all just a dream. So I get all the rewards in my dream while others might go on dreaming about sharing the biggest dream.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Ok then, let this be my final post about the subject then. My claim will not be acknowledged, which I knew would happen since none of you can understand or comprehend it. What I had in mind was letting myself be used for global enlightenment, which turned into universal enlightenment, which was all just a dream. So I get all the rewards in my dream while others might go on dreaming about sharing the biggest dream.


So... it sounds like you're giving up because no one here understands or comprehends your claim of enlightenment.

Throughout history, those who were truly enlightened were subjected to persecution by those who didn't understand, comprehend or felt threatened .

Why would you give up on such an important calling as being the catalyst for global enlightenment? It seems to me that the opinions of ATS members would be trivial when compared to the completion of such an important task.

Your need for external validation betrays your claim to enlightenment.

I'm hoping you'll continue your journey on the path......



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 11:24 AM
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So I get all the rewards in my dream while others might go on dreaming about sharing the biggest dream.


And then we all woke up to discover that you were just a mass delusion. Oh, how I wish...



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 11:33 AM
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I read your reply the first time, but it somehow shutted me out again. Then now, just before me typing this now I searched it up again and reread it. I was quite able to figure out your reply.

Why should I judge a reply which should come from an honest person?

What you mentioned I find to be something I can work on. Even if it is the same for anyone else, I find I can work on it, someway, somehow. Just thinking about it already is a step forward.

Very well,

Thank you for spending time on my behalf.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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Any chance of answering just the one little question I had about one of your claims


Another question if I may if you have not run off


Do you see darkness or light when your eyes are closed?



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by Blarneystoner

So... it sounds like you're giving up because no one here understands or comprehends your claim of enlightenment.


Yes I'm giving up trying to make everyone understand, which I agreed to so others would get off my back trying to make me.


Throughout history, those who were truly enlightened were subjected to persecution by those who didn't understand, comprehend or felt threatened .


Yes, for example witch hunts, they would throw a witch in the water in my country, tied to a rock and if he or she would float there would be magic involved. When I heard that in the past I thought people were just stupid, but now I understand those were early enlightened individuals and to the preacher or religious person involved he or she might float seen through their inner vision or minds eye or 3rd eye. But that's in the past, nowadays no one can even be framed for using remote vision for spying purposes or trading, it would be nice to hear or see other CEO's making deals and then buying shares. Earth's RNG is safe however, not even all those Thai buddhist monks can crack it with their lottery games.


Why would you give up on such an important calling as being the catalyst for global enlightenment? It seems to me that the opinions of ATS members would be trivial when compared to the completion of such an important task.


Because I already have everything I could ever possibly want. Not in a material sense ofcourse but that can't really happen anymore as I cannot be pursueded anymore, otherwise the same rules which apply to everyone also apply to me.


Your need for external validation betrays your claim to enlightenment.

I'm hoping you'll continue your journey on the path......


But you are part of the external to me and the external must know so the external can't bother me anymore with their problems and I can try to make something of my life, in a sense I would want a car and a nice home with food and a vacation once in a while, instead of failing because of all the distractions. And to make it even more complicated, there are these beings from other planets which belong to the 2nd external who also need to know I created a way for everyone on the planet to theoretically have access to so they should have known about this oppertunity.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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So I get all the rewards in my dream while others might go on dreaming about sharing the biggest dream.


And then we all woke up to discover that you were just a mass delusion. Oh, how I wish...


Yeah me too. There is no 2nd.



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by Angle
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I read your reply the first time, but it somehow shutted me out again.


But only people can shut out other people, a bunch of digits or pieces of a harddrive or machine can't shut you out.


Then now, just before me typing this now I searched it up again and reread it. I was quite able to figure out your reply.

Why should I judge a reply which should come from an honest person?


Because you can never know for sure who is on the other side and even if it is a good person there should be judgement so one can learn how to use one's own mind.


What you mentioned I find to be something I can work on. Even if it is the same for anyone else, I find I can work on it, someway, somehow. Just thinking about it already is a step forward.

Very well,

Thank you for spending time on my behalf.


Because you say I was spending time on your behalf I'd have to say I was posting to every person able to access the internet, even if it was through someone else and that's whom I wrote it for which includes you. So thanks for reading on my behalf I guess, I think you are original compared to most of the anti or negative posters, more neutral, wish most people are like that but then you would get a world full of non unique individuals haha



posted on Feb, 27 2013 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by InhaleExhale
OP

Any chance of answering just the one little question I had about one of your claims

Another question if I may if you have not run off
Do you see darkness or light when your eyes are closed?


Sorry for missing that. Well darkness can't be seen and the eyes are the only sense which can see (the mind only processes stuff) so when the eyelids are closed there would be no vision so the question needs to be asked different for me to give a serious answer.
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posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 01:38 PM
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Right, now it's time for me to talk about power and global enlightenment and what must be done to achieve that.

First sexual problems of humanity are not that much of a priority but it is an obstacle further down the road, of which humanity does not have that much of a chance to progress, which means all of you should understand your future and your childrens' future is bleak. Even in the afterlife no one will achieve enlightenment I speak of since all those souls are tied in a way which I might expound upon when asked.

The current problem is that a soul has a claim to global power and that is of the United States, there are several souls who back that soul so according to democratic rules from way back in ancient Greece that is a valid claim, especially since there are only a handful of souls working on this, who are from different nations all striving to change everyone for what they believe is the best.

But since I learned this today, I thought the Chinese should have the veto right since their country has more souls so when they all vote for a particular subject which determines the mental evolution of humanity, the Chinese would be the last to approve but if they choose not to or it is calculated by the information in their souls they would oppose a concept which would become truth to everyone in time, that concept is put on hold indefinitely and another subject is chosen to be worked on.

India is the second largest group of souls on earth, so they should have a lot of power. The USA comes in third, after a long time of being number one mainly because they would threaten with war at the end of each simulation on a given subject and since they have a global presence military wise they would likely win a conflict since they already have their assets in place. They have been regarded as peace keepers, referees and enforcers for a while which will still be a function to them, they will just have to accept the Chinese veto and also accept they are part of something larger.

Ofcourse the souls in the afterlife are important, but they are not considered to be anything more than information stores or advisory roles, since they are no longer on the planet, which is where life begins and so every question and it is where it also ends, it's also where the answer begins which then goes round the afterlife so all our ancestors can still participate in a way without any trespassing so they are like spectators.

As for the aliens (which are multiple factions), they are trying to do the same as we are doing on Earth but just a fraction of a second later since our signals travel outwards in a linear fashion. So they are also participating, at times they get a call for information or advice, but that is only when things are boring during difficult decisions and some of the kids go out sightseeing. The illusion some souls had of there being direct contact is also fading away, there never was and even the indirect contacts will be coming to a closure, meaning one person will be in contact but chooses no to, thereby blocking everyone else in Earths' timeline who would want contact with otherworldy beings.
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posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 02:06 PM
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That's a lot of assertions for having no sources. Are you asking us just to take you for granted? At least give us a reason to believe you are what you claim to be. In fact, give us a few good reasons. Let's try three. That's a good magical number.

Three solid reasons why we should believe that you are completely enlightened and are in no way attempting to deceive us or yourself in this matter. That's what I ask of you. Surely that's a walk in a sunlit park for someone who knows so much?

I'll be waiting for your conclusive reply. And when I say conclusive... your answer will either make or break everything you've tried to do here. So be very careful with what you say now. We are here to deny ignorance, not feast on it. Keep that in mind.



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 03:52 PM
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Right, now it's time for me to talk about power and global enlightenment and what must be done to achieve that.


So... this whole thread is basically a "sermon" from someone (deluded or trolling IMHO) "enlightened"??

I'm with AfterInfinity and ask for definitive proofs of your oh-so-wonderful "enlightenment".



posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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That's a lot of assertions for having no sources. Are you asking us just to take you for granted? At least give us a reason to believe you are what you claim to be. In fact, give us a few good reasons. Let's try three. That's a good magical number.


Do you have memory problems which prevent you from understanding my previous posts, where I stated I'm not going to explain my claim to anyone, unless maybe asked in the correct manner.


Three solid reasons why we should believe that you are completely enlightened and are in no way attempting to deceive us or yourself in this matter. That's what I ask of you. Surely that's a walk in a sunlit park for someone who knows so much?


As I said I'm no longer about explaining myself, just the current situation on earth, which affects us all, both future and past. So I'll try and post one solid reason, which is life in this universe wants to become forever truly happy but can't and soon all life will come to know about this and why. People may say they are happy and try to convince everyone they meet but I know true happiness is independent of anything, which makes every other form of happiness less real, like 99,99% at best but no one can ever reach 100%.


I'll be waiting for your conclusive reply.


You mean ofcourse you are going to do something else, then someday I might reply, another day or moment you might read it and so on. Or do you mean your very survival exists upon my replies to you?


And when I say conclusive... your answer will either make or break everything you've tried to do here. So be very careful with what you say now. We are here to deny ignorance, not feast on it. Keep that in mind.


Yes, very threatening, I'm so scared. No really why I am not is because in my end I'll have my own universe full of male and female Dragonfly79's, who will all be perfect just like me, who will not war with eachother or argue, or play any of the silly games people play on this planet. Best of all, it's an automated process, I don't have to do anything for it, all life is doing this for me. Not for me personally ofcourse, just cause and effect. And no, I can't tell others how to do this for themselves, at best I can try to teach others how to teach themselves so they can tell themselves how to do this.
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posted on Feb, 28 2013 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by Chamberf=6
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Right, now it's time for me to talk about power and global enlightenment and what must be done to achieve that.


So... this whole thread is basically a "sermon" from someone (deluded or trolling IMHO) "enlightened"??

I'm with AfterInfinity and ask for definitive proofs of your oh-so-wonderful "enlightenment".


Yeah well as I explained I can only prove myself once by dissolving and then I'd be in my own universe but I can't go back, only forward. This is because once you leave the factory of life, you can't reenter it, you're done, at best you can become a spectator but no longer a participant and that is what is preventing me from exiting.

Most important no one would see the shell I leave behind as an enlightened mark, not even those in heaven or hell because I won't be going there as I would be in my own heaven in my own universe in my own timeline, which will be full of duplicates of me, just with different physical characteristics, clothes and homes ofcourse but all would share the same truth and everyone would know what would be wrong. Some would look forever though, but none can ever find me. I do understand sometime I would be curious about my origin, this would probably be around the time the sun douses where I would reconstruct Earth and continue where I left off, just knowing it'll be different.



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