Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Originally posted by bb23108
I read several pages of this thread but not the whole thing. So my apologies, OP, if this has already been asked and responded to, but would you link
us to a picture of you, with especially your eyes showing? A picture is worth a thousand words, you know. Actually, in this case, probably a whole lot
more than a thousand.
To you a picture is worth much, to me my picture would just be a bunch of molecules, then other people imagine those molecules have all kinds of
meaning, which might be true or not, that is the great mystery of life. So I'm not going to, there are tons of pictures on the internet for you to
fantasize about though if that is what you want. You might also like thangkas.
I hope you can oblige as this is probably all that is necessary for some of us, as the heart tacitly recognizes true enlightenment as well as
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From my point of view everyone is delusional, some a lot and some less.
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Oh you got me all wrong if you believe I would play such games. I can't look into another's brain and read it, unless I abuse aliens with their
technology which I'm not going to. You probably want something acknowledged, but to me the eyes are not the mirror to the soul, they are just
meaningless molecules. But I don't want to be the bad guy who smashes your faith so tell me and other readers on ATS what you want others to see in
those eyes. Or, you can open your own topic on guru's such as Monte Sahaja, or if you know the guy you could invite him here to ATS to post.
If any of what you have been saying is true, you seem to be having an experience of some dimension apart from this physical world, which may even
appear hierarchically above this gross physical plane, and therefore, apparently senior to it.
However, your responses, and certainly your responses I am quoting, indicate that you do not understand that real enlightenment has NOTHING to do with
any experience - i.e., is not dependent on experience. Truth is inherent in the recognition that we are non-separate from Reality Itself - and the
more this is lived, the more the attributes of indivisible Reality come to the front of the whole body-mind/being - physical, emotion, mental,
etheric, causal, spiritual.
As I said in my post to Itisnowagain, such attributes begin to take over the body-mind - unless the aspirant is looking to go out of the body-mind
into some kind of experiential journey of worlds beyond this one, and not practice this Reality-recognition in the context of the world in which one's
physical body-mind is appearing. This certainly appears to me to be what you are doing, and becoming very separated from the gross body-mind. By
saying the eyes are just molecules, etc. - this is a very conceptual statement, devoid of love, and also an indicator of what I am saying to you is
Why do you think your enlightenment would not be obvious in your body-mind? Reality is indivisible, so how could your realization of Reality not also
change your body-mind and/or at least be reflected in it?
Seeking elsewhere for some experience has nothing to do with enlightenment, even though it can give you a temporary sense of relief from the usual
woes of the body-mind we all deal with here - but temporarily at best. Until you actually wake up to your Real Condition, you can play in whatever
worlds you may find yourself in, but you will still have to deal with this one and allow the Divine Reality to shine through you here, just like
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