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posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by LewsTherinThelamon
The states of the Union are the rightful countries/nations. The "United States" is not a nation IT IS A UNION.

What about "One nation, under God, indivisible..."?




posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by srb2001

Originally posted by LewsTherinThelamon
The states of the Union are the rightful countries/nations. The "United States" is not a nation IT IS A UNION.

What about "One nation, under God, indivisible..."?


Whoa, that's in the constitution?

Well no, its not.

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892.

In 1923 "the flag" was added.

In 1954 Eisenhower added "under God".

www.ushistory.org...

Again I'd ask you to get an education.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by srb2001

Originally posted by LewsTherinThelamon
The states of the Union are the rightful countries/nations. The "United States" is not a nation IT IS A UNION.

What about "One nation, under God, indivisible..."?


What about "Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish"?

The government forgot its mission...they need to be reminded.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by Wanderer777
 


Many of the people whining in this thread are merely dinosaurs living in the past, not realizing time has passed them by.

People yelling about State's Rights are basically similar to a gangbanger in Compton. He's throwing up signs, wearing his little colors yelling, "Compton fool! Eastside 21st Ave!".

The little idiot doesn't realize that the world is so much bigger than his little block!

People crying that America is going down the tubes are the same.

IT'S BIGGER THAN AMERICA NOW! We live in a society that is going GLOBAL. There will be a One world Government, it only makes sense. It's the next evolutionary step.

Sure there will be some bumps in the road, and we have to let the dinosaurs die out, you know those who still are fighting for their little block LOL!

Ladies and gentleman prepare to see a COMPLETELY different world in the next hundred years! A lot of the ills that have plagued us will be destroyed. A lot of people aren't for this because their minds haven't evolved enough yet. They are like Australian Bull Dog ants who are more primitive than say Fire ants because they still live in small groups (30-50) ants while Fire ants live in colonies that can count in the millions.

The people we see complaining are people who probably should have been born in the 19th century if not the 17th or 16th century. They don't realize the worlds population doesn't allow for them to just be "left alone". There isn't anymore, "I don't like how things work here so I'm going to move west and build a log cabin and eat squirrels and the chickens I raise."


You sir, are making some of the most foolish statements I have ever laid eyes upon.

There will never be a utopic one world government under democratic rule, at least not in the near future. It would be under totalitarianism. People are too different in ideologies and view for it to be otherwise. You can stick your idea of a one world government where the sun don't shine, because I don't want the pipedream you are trying to sell.

Any attempt to try and force this to happen will result in WWIII and you can rest assured that if that does happen there will not be a world left after worth ruling over as a "leader". Star Trek is fiction, not reality. The only thing that can have an affect of making anyone on this world work as one is through an outside threat such as an alien invasion. Even that would only allow for cooperation for as long as the threat existed.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by Mamatus
I can hear the Feds say it now; "Oh you need assistance with Food or Healthcare? Do you live in Montana? Ask them! Oh you need a highway, bridge or airport fixed? Sorry, you live in Montana.

The level of disobedience required on a State level would be fiscal suicide.


There's a flaw in this reasoning in that secession would divert federal taxation back torward the state to make up for the lost federal funds.

That's not to say that there aren't outstanding issues, especially providing for a common defense against foreign invasion, that would still need to be addressed.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 04:22 PM
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Is it not true, was the Constitution not written for Land owning white males?
That is correct. There were a majority of white males who owned land back then. There is still a majority of whites who own land here today. That is as God intended it to be. And he also added to that list of land owners many strangers who now have become citizens and own land. The constitution protects tham all. If anything, this should tell you how God blessed and loves the people he gave this land to and their decendants. Woe unto the people who want to take away his blessings. He will deal with them shortly.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright


Is it not true, was the Constitution not written for Land owning white males?


Of course not. It was written for all of the people in the country and it was designed to limit the power of the federal government.

The fact that you want to make this a racial issue shows how weak your arguement is. Please tell me what part of the constitution you disagree with...lets start there.


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posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by LewsTherinThelamon

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by LewsTherinThelamon
If they were actually serving the American people they would have disbanded the fed and wiped out the debt and threw out every amendment to the federal constitution from 11 to 27.


See, this is where I disagree

They are serving the people.
The -people- (aka us) are just self serving....so yes..they are doing exactly what they were voted in to do...help us in our selfish ways remain selfish.


What do you mean by selfish?

Pretty much how its defined. Wanting stuff for us regardless of who or what it hurts/destroys/etc and only thinking of our specific unique prosperity, even if it means burning the village so to speak.
Examples: I want lower taxes, benefits, health care, gated community, a high paying job, 2 cars, no regulations, cheap food, cheap electronics, cheap electricity to run my 300 lights in my house at all times, the latest ipad, etc etc etc...to infinity and beyond.
And anyone whom points out any issue with how I do things is anti-American and a fascist/socialist/neocon/whatever.



Our politicians are a perfect example of where the state of the union is...and until we start accepting blame and understanding that they are not a cause, they are a reflection, then we will forever be washing out the old and putting in new scapegoats for us.


People will continue voting because they honestly believe that we still live in the same United States that our forefathers founded.

They do. the one aspect of the union that holds true is that people have a voice in electing their politician, then they push their politicians forward.
Money, sadly, is power..and power tends to rule..see, unless the media went commercial free and was run by tax dollars alone, then corporate TV will sell their point of view in order to remain on the air..the people buy it, and then side in with it...suddenly their ideals become ours.
But, in the end, we still have the final say...its just..preprogrammed.

Regardless of how you view the nation..this is a nation built by the citizens within. The final result may not be what is desired to some/many, but that is ultimately what a democratic republic will transition into...aka, you can't please them all the time.

in 2005ish, the right was all about how America was just the bee's knees and the left was trying to figure out how to saw off the west coast and become their own nation. Now new political leaders, new views, and role switch...

Secession will not happen..tried in 1860s and failed miserably..and that's when there was a pretty strong desire amongst the southern states...now, only the fringe types sitting in the dark are discussing it in any serious notion. Most of the far right "sane" ones here understand its about working the system within and give up this crazy talk of a few handfuls of people wanting to snip off a chunk of the states...might as well be demanding the government genetically recreate dinosaurs..would be far more likely to happen.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 04:35 PM
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Henry came to terms with his hippocracy long after his "liberty or death" speech. At the time of that speech, he had acquired over 64 slaves. The irony is not lost for that address pleading against "chains and slavery".



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by LewsTherinThelamon
If they were actually serving the American people they would have disbanded the fed and wiped out the debt and threw out every amendment to the federal constitution from 11 to 27.


See, this is where I disagree

They are serving the people.
The -people- (aka us) are just self serving....so yes..they are doing exactly what they were voted in to do...help us in our selfish ways remain selfish.

Our politicians are a perfect example of where the state of the union is...and until we start accepting blame and understanding that they are not a cause, they are a reflection, then we will forever be washing out the old and putting in new scapegoats for us.

Of the people, By the people, and for the people..not when convenient..but always


Holy ****. Voters knowingly sent representatives to washington to write and pass NAFTA and GATT so corporations could offshore their jobs to Mexico and Asia?

You're right, that was pretty darned selfish of the voters.


NAFTA was at the time cheered on...the concept of uniting north America into a great trade was thought to be bringing all sorts of new opportunity. It took awhile, but the experiment didn't show the results many believed would happen.

as far as GATT...bit before my time. but since the late 40s, American economics have become a powerhouse..so clearly it did something right. If our poor is living like a king compared to 3rd world areas...then something works well enough. Not saying perfect mind you..but I think to write it off as a complete negative is nieve.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by srb2001
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Henry came to terms with his hippocracy long after his "liberty or death" speech. At the time of that speech, he had acquired over 64 slaves. The irony is not lost for that address pleading against "chains and slavery".


Citation needed.

Obviously you didn't read the link I posted. No surprise.

Did you know Patrick Henry didn't sign the Constitution because, as he put it, he "smelled a rat"? In hind sight its almost as if he knew that rat would procreate repeatedly over the next couple hundred years and the growing rat pack would gradually overrun DC.

Speculating here, but maybe the rat Henry smelled were bankers who wanted (as always) to control commerce ~ to prohibit the states from making anything but gold and silver a legel tender ~ and eventually confiscate the gold, leaving the people with nothing but fiat debt currency. At least that's how it worked you debt slave, you.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 05:15 PM
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NAFTA was at the time cheered on...the concept of uniting north America into a great trade was thought to be bringing all sorts of new opportunity.


No, we were TOLD it was cheered on. The cheering crowd was Corporate America via their henchmen in the mainstream media. And yeah, they intended to use it to open new "opportunities", for themselves. Flying colors.

Americans got food stamps out of the deal. Yay.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 05:39 PM
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Well put, Devil Dog.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by charlyv

Originally posted by one4all
I do not understand why Americans dont accept the fact that they need to go back and fix the past before they can plan for the future. There was a coup de tat in America when JFK was murdered and no one has ever done anything about it. The entire world is scared of the American government because no one knows who they really are.

The only way you will see legal legitimate governmental change in a country as large and globally influential as the United States is if it comes from within, this means that if one single American walks into a courtroom and begins the legal processes needed to readdress the JFK coldcase and the rest of America rallys around this movment with all of their hearts and might, you see this is an ugly situation and it all revolves around that coup de tat and the men who orchestrated and pulled it off. Only America and God know how deep the deciet runs, seing as God is always busy I guess this leaves it up to Americans to solve their own problem from within. Fighting the current government isnt the battle you need to fight, the current administration is only recognised based on a coup de tat history, therefore if you go back and right history you right America and if you dont go back and do that then you have no true America. You dont have to fight your current government you need to offer them the chance to partake in the national Identity cleansing, and if they refuse to help you find 100% of the truth with 100% of their energies then you disenfranchise them by proxy, one way or another you will get America back if you find and punish and write into history these traitors to America. Find Kennedys murderers and protect not one and you will restore America to her rightful place in history.


I could not agree more. Those rungs in the ladder to enlightenment are missing and while we have a good idea as to who was involved, it has to be totally ferreted out and made public knowledge from within. If everyone demanded the truth on this, it would certainly happen.



You see, this revealing of the coup de tat has already happened online in cyberspace, a place where people can freely tell their truth without being censored or simply killed to be shut up. The entire world already clearly sees and knows that America was taken from within when JFK was murdered by the coup de tat consortium.

Everyone has demanded ther truth many times and nothing has been given, we are talking about a coup de tat that wrestles control of an entire government from the people illegally. One of the greatest most powerful countrys in the world was taken by coup de tat, and once you gain that type of power to defend yourself and conceal your crimes you are in another league of evil.

Americans need to be putting up big screen TVs in the streets and replaying all of the mountains of evidence online that never did and in many cases may not at all ever be seen in a court of law, many witness are old and leaving dying last testaments. The cowards who inititated this coup de tat were counting on this happening , well welcome to cyberspace where everything stays forever.

There is only one way for the American people to disenfranchise their government legally and rightfully and recover their country, and this is not by staging a revolution this will happen by only by the righting of a wrong, and that wrong was the cuop de tat that renedered todays government illegal wether Obama is aware of circumstances or not, this is the one clear opportunity to regain Americas identity and security. If 1/10 th of the money and resources tha t are spent fighting the government in so many different ways was simply spent on uncovering this truth, well then America would be on the upswing not the downswing.

You see when something as big as America recieves a knockout blow it takes a long time for the message to get sent to all parts of the body, and there are many chances at recovery before the big body drops to the ground, it looks to me like America is down to her last few chances at a recovery and then she wil fall and fall hard.

The knockout blow to America was delivered in Dallas the day the cuop de tat was initiated, that blow has been reverberating within Americas central nervous system for all these years slowly but surely bringing the Champ down to her knees, not down and out yet, just down to her knees.

Next time you are at a political rally hang a huge big screen TV from the side of a minivan and start playing the videos where JFKs secret service{I will not give the capital letters until this is solved and the ss is ripped apart from the inside out and renamed} set him up for the coup de tat, maybe Americans from all political parties need to know they fight a common enemy that exists within ALL of their political parties to one degree or another, its time to identify that the sphere of influence due to the especially evil face of a coup de tat runs so deeply that they all need to work co-operatively to overcome its cold cold grip on Americas hearts and resources.


Put it this way folks, any fiscal gain related to the coup de tat belongs to the government of America if the perpetrators of the coup det tat can be connected to the money and assets, this means that obviously some of the richest families in America are teetering on the edge of having hundreds of billions of dollars seized by a new and empowered federal Government. You will likely find through forensic fiscal investigation that this coup de tsat group is interwoven amongst the most powerful families in the world. The Twin Towers were collapsed to destroy hard copy records of financial conduct regrding this powerful group, those buildings were brought down by the same group of people to carry on the masquerade.

Americas economy is in the hole because this group has bled the country dry, its time to remove any and all hiding places for these people globally, and sorry for the hardships about to be endured by very powerful and upstanding Families and individuals whose sucess and power come from those dark days and the perpetrators of the cuop de tat, remember these evil people have engendered and ensconed themselves within America to hide and to protect themselves and their fiscal assets, likely trillions of dollars have been made within and then siphoned from Americas aeorta as these monsters have sucked her fiscal life away.

You want a fight people, well it looks like you need to finish the one that was started in Dallas the day your country lost its leadership and nearly lost its identity.

These parasites have administered a fatal blow to the body of the country and then strapped America down and hooked up a fiscal IV so they can keep the body alive longer and squeeze more out of it before it withers and dies.

When your President was murdered via coup de tat, America died, she didnt know it but she died that day, what we see today is a shell of what existed on that day. The men of the proper era to correct this for America let her down already and this cant be erased, they failed their country due to their own personal weaknesses and that is history, now it is up to the Children of the children of those last true Americans to fix this evil wrong. Talk about passing the buck down the line.


You people dont need a new fight, you just need to step back up for another round and win the one you are already in, come on now up off the floor, you can do it, this was what you expected when you decided to run with the big dogs, now get up and wipe all this crap off of yourself and set the record straight. Lets do one more big Baby Boomer John Wayne impression and lets do the right thing with our last few rounds. Lets find and punish these coup de tat cowards wherever they may be. lets remove them from history and lets remove their influences and gain from that same history.

First find them all and then trace their fiscal power and influences and then reclaim for America all of the resources and power stolen from her prone body, lets not just name names but lets erase the dirty evil ones from world history. You need to take back the two things your country was raped for , the money AND the history. believe me the entire world already knows there wasd a coup de tat, and unbelievably the American People must also know. Its like saying the German people didnt know about the Concentration camps and the ovens, I have personally heard living survivors of that time try to use this defense, it doesnt work , not ever. Americans KNOW what happened in Dallas and that a coup de tat was initiated, and so by proxy are as guilty as the perpetrators for not turning them in But their children are not guilty of complicity, these young Americans werent around to be blamed for that horrible scar written into history, one we need to excise.

But dont kid yourself, if you are in your 50s 60s or 70s+ and you are American you are GUILTY, because you all knew from the beginning that a coup de tat was happening, you just didnt have the hearts and guts to fight back, so now its up to a new generation. For gods sakes the old men are giving all they can give now and coming out of the woodwork everywhere to tell their truths before they die, to correct a wrong they now have the strength and guts to admit was committed on an entire nation.

The path is clear here, but the communication sure isnt, look how few people on this thread even aknowledge what I am saying?? Why , just why do you think tht is?? It surely isnt because I am wrong, it just shows you how deep the damage was that was done in Dallas that day, it still echoes today right here on this thread.
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posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle
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NAFTA was at the time cheered on...the concept of uniting north America into a great trade was thought to be bringing all sorts of new opportunity.


No, we were TOLD it was cheered on. The cheering crowd was Corporate America via their henchmen in the mainstream media. And yeah, they intended to use it to open new "opportunities", for themselves. Flying colors.

Americans got food stamps out of the deal. Yay.


Well that's an amazingly simplistic way of viewing it anyhow.

Good trade between nations is the foundation of success from top down. the key though is good trade. Regulation is needed when dealing with a country that is poor and/or has no worker standards. As elitist as it may sound..rich nations should only buy from other rich nations. When a rich nation and a poor nation come together for trade, under the current form of capitalism, there are typically only losers with a few winners banking on both sides.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 06:18 PM
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The fist shots fired were at Sandy Hook, by a programmed tool, igniting this fight.


You may be right…it certainly was a catalyst for the largest power grab we’ve seen in a while.




posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 06:20 PM
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posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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Maybe this will make it complicated enough for you.

Petition to Congress:

Withdraw from WTO and Repeal NAFTA, GATT, and CAFTA
www.petition2congress.com...

I don't expect this petition will go anywhere since so few people seem to understand or care about it.

And yes, good trade relationships are vital. If they're dictated by an outside entity they are unconstitutional.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
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The fist shots fired were at Sandy Hook, by a programmed tool, igniting this fight.


You may be right…it certainly was a catalyst for the largest power grab we’ve seen in a while.




You people let a coup de tat be initiated in Dallas and now have the nerve to suggest that you can understand "power grabs" and "progrsmmed tools" what BS.

You are losing your guns because you lost your president, your freedom, and your National Identity all on the same day in Dallas when your President was murdered in a cuop de tat.

You people need to wake up already, FORGET Sandy Hook and the small distractions being used against you, the battle to right the coup de tat is renewed in cyberspace and your country will be regained if you wake up and spread the truths that are now available to you and your childrens futures.


The people who used guns to rip your countrys heart out are now trying to disarm you so you can NEVER right their epic wrong. If you want to fight back make you punches count you might not have many left in you, its time to let caution to the wind and throw your own haymaker now, find and out the group behind the coup de tat and repatriate the hundreds of billions of dollars that have been stolen and capitalised on for all these years, no country in the world would offer safe haven to this group, they threaten the entire global power structure. You are already down on one knee as a country, at the very least go out trying to win, at least TRY one more time for the knockout. Do it for yourselves, do it for your grandfathers, do it for your childrens futures, do it for your gods , it matters not why you gather your strength for a final showdown but you need to catalyse yourself for your last stand. Somethng is going to break soon
within your country, I say seek and hold accountable those responsible and take back everything that is yours, your pride, your integrity, your history, and to really kick them in the balls the hundreds of billions of dollars they murdered your president to earn.





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