Feminism & The Downfall Of The Traditional Family

reply to post by coldweather


I agree, I could use it repeately on this thread. LOL

Originally posted by InTheLight

That term did not insult me, I was asking you a question (which you did not answer by the way; and that says alot).

The question was where did you state that you were a feminist? Is that correct?

It is the passive aggressive tone of your posts that makes me think you are a feminist.

Don't get me wrong. Not all women who are passive aggressive are feminist, but all women who are feminists are passive aggressive.

reply to post by hotel1


Exactly and if you do choose that kind of man, then it shouldn't be all that hard to respect him. A lot of women seem to think you're being weak by letting a man make any decisions on his own. Someone compared a wife being led by a husband to dog on a leash, but that's not the way it is at all. Presidents lead nations, pastors lead churches, mothers lead children. Any strong family should have a strong leader, and a man can't be a strong leader unless he has a wife that does everything she can to help him. It doesn't mean that you have no say in any decisions, it just means that if you do come to a disagreement about something, hopefully you have enough faith in your husband to know he will make the right decision on his own.

reply to post by ollncasino


You are reading passive aggressiveness for the purposes of your own agenda. I say to you 'know yourself", as I do.

reply to post by resoe26


People focus to much on male or female, which one is better than the other. Me an my husband have an equal relationship, we discuss situations, we compromise. When a situation is present we do not make a decision until we can come to a compromise and a decision that is best for the situation. He cooks, I cook, He cleans, I clean, we both raise our daughter. It is about equal partnership, not who's role is what. We help each other, we lift each other up, and because of this we lift our daughter higher, she learns that relationships are about true equality, and that if you love someone unconditionally it is about lifting them up even with their faults and not bring them down.

We support each other in the pursuit of knowledge, we do not hold each other back we support each other to go forward. When he works, I clean the house and cook, it is not because this is my role as a female, it is because he works and I will be pulling my equal weight in cleaning the house, and cooking. No roles in this relationship except mommy and daddy to our daughter. Each gender is as equally important, males are no more equipped to lead than females, males and females are meant to balance each other. You can see this in nature around the world especially with mammals. In a pack of wolves there is an alpha male and a alpha female, they mate for life and lead the pack equally and lead as one family unit.

We need to stop trying to prove what gender is better and just start supporting each other equally, why is that so complicated for people?

reply to post by kbrock1


It's not complicated to me. Good post.

Cant find a modern woman who can cook?
Cant find a woman willing to clean up after you?
Cant find a woman who wants to listen to you whine all the time?
I have a solution to your problem:

Grow up and do it yourself.

Who are you to make expectations of either sex? Who are you to make expectations of anyone?

You may have failed to noticed that the modern woman is disinterested with waiting on her "man" hand and food. Many women prefer to be in equal relationships where she can earn and spend her own money without having to ask permission. Perhaps the modern women doesnt want to stay at home and raise a family for you? Did you ever consider the fact that woman are people to and they have dreams and aspirations that go much further than the doors and windows of a house? No? Maybe that's your problem.

You idolize the view of a traditional 1950's american middle-class leafy suburbs family.

Iif there was no basis for feminism to come into play it would have never occurred. Its just that simple really.

reply to post by SearchLightsInc

Perhaps the modern women doesnt want to stay at home and raise a family for you?

If a woman doesn't want to raise children, then this thread doesn't even apply to her. Don't have children. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Ireminisce
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

Perhaps the modern women doesnt want to stay at home and raise a family for you?

If a woman doesn't want to raise children, then this thread doesn't even apply to her. Don't have children. Simple as that.

How do you get that? Feminism is about All women, not just the ones that want children

reply to post by Ireminisce


Any more like you at home?

I thought OP would be flamed for what was written. But refreshing to read a normal point of view for once.

Not so crazy after all...

reply to post by Ireminisce





On the contrary it is you with the condescending tone re. 'My way is the right way' and if

you don't mean that you certainly give that impression.


Personally I have little interest in the preferences of other women as to whether they are in

subjugated and submissive relationships ...or have the spirit and grit to be involved in

a relationship of 'equality' Each to their own.


I have been around a long time....and seen relationships around me come and go, and the

conclusions I've arrived at is that an equal relationship has greater longevity in the long

term. With the submissive ones the man appears to reach a 'mid life' crisis when he seems

to want/need excitement and goes looking for it...and .the woman never saw it coming!!


None of that is 'fact' (You know pics or it didn't happen ) just my observations but like I said

I've been around a looong time. Those who think they have it all sussed usually end up with

egg on their face.

reply to post by Ireminisce


Ha ha, that was my thread you posted in! And now you are going to see another side of me in this thread. The downfall of the traditional family is a serious threat to society.

For example, it causes heavy psychological damage to children to not have family stability. Not only does research show this, and that it also causes more psychopathic behaviors (such as not working together or caring about each other) -

But, if you have lived with the younger generation or been around them, you would discover just how #ed we are as a society. Relationships last for a week or so and involve cheating during that time period. Children, #ing children, are experiencing being screwed over by their "friends" and "parents" on a regular basis and as a result, are learning not to trust or care for anyone but themselves.

I can guarantee you this is happening and that it is a result of the feminist movement. I have a thread I wrote about what life is like in America here: What is America Really Like?

This is our future. And it isn't just that. Once our society falls, two things will happen.

1) Without traditional families or religious institutions to rely on to help people, the only one left will be the government

2) The rampant psychopathic behavior will result in the perceived need for totalitarian government control

I have another thread here: Totalitarianism: A Step-By-Step Guide

Double post? Wow.

Originally posted by Ireminisce

It worked for the cave men didn't it? I mean, our species has survived up to this point.

Please do some research on the "Cave-man" times, There is plenty of evidence to suggest there was no pre-set gender roles, women took part in hunting and collecting food, duties were evenly shared and not based on sex. People back then worked as a unit - You did what you were good at for the good of the tribe. Need more evidence? There are still tribes today that do not operate according to "gender roles" and they've gotten by just fine.

Almost every society continued living this way, and it was fine. You really don't think that the drug use, teen pregnancies, welfare issues, divorce rate, and over all lack of morality in our culture has anything at all to do with so many women taking on the extra responsibility of joining the work force?

I think drug use has increased due to their being more drugs available to everyone.
I think teen pregnancies have existed throughout time, just under reported because of the shame people have emphasised on the "issue"
Welfare is down to the Economy.
Divorce rates are due to change in laws making them easier to access.
Lack of morality... Well, there have always been people to poor to have morals.

What say you to that?

Have you ever considered that maybe our family structure is natural, and it shouldn't be tampered with? Why fix something that's not broken?

But obviously for many people it was broken? That's why people sought divorce? That's why parents advised their kids to not settle down to early in life? Perhaps the "family structure" is idea for around 15 years and naturally begins to break down?

Just seems obvious its not perfect to me.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by Ireminisce
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

Perhaps the modern women doesnt want to stay at home and raise a family for you?

If a woman doesn't want to raise children, then this thread doesn't even apply to her. Don't have children. Simple as that.

How do you get that? Feminism is about All women, not just the ones that want children

I wonder if Ireminisce's husband would get her a beer?

The very name feminism excludes men. It implies that masculinity is the enemy, a vile form of discrimination akin to discrimination of women. This mentality, found only in the basest of creatures, sees 50% of the human population of earth, whoever is not of the same gender them, as somehow lesser.

No gender is better or lesser, only different. Feminists practice gender bigotry, a huge double-standard. Those pushing for equality of rights, not equality of gender, should not align itself with such madness.

Patriarchy is oligarchy. It isn't a war against women or men, it is a war on the individual.

Originally posted by luciddream
Women are NOT forced to because nurtures and take care of the house and family stuff, its because they are designed that way.

Children run to their mother when they are hurt, rather than the father, because "mother knows".

WRONG A hurt child will run to the better care-giver. If the father feels more caring than the mother, the child would go to the father. Basic attachment theory. What you seem to be suggesting is that a child runs to the nearest vagina because apparently its guaranteed more emotional care.

How many species(in a non polygamy structure) where you see the male guard the nest while female goes out and battles for territory and find food.

How many tribes have you studded where men and woman had black and white separate roles? I.E he took care of putting food on the table, she took care of the kids? Names of those tribes would be helpful.

Most of the time women always marry up, and men always marry down, our current "equal" (lol) right society made it that way.

Would love to see some evidence for such a distorted claim.

Some women, usually women in their 15-35(not all), have a mind set on how a husband should be,

Funny you should say that in a thread like this...

money makers, doctors, everything except the person who leads the family. The women now a days set standard high, that most men think that they NEED this to get a women.

350 million americans. 150 million female. Lets assume 60 million of child baring age. Your statement seems a bit broad now doesnt it? You are literally labelling 95% of the UK's entire population.

Its the era of trophy husbands!

Nope. Men still have all the rights they've enjoyed with and without feminisms existence.

My only strategy i have in this is to get much education as possible(looking to do MSc atm).. so they come after me and not me after them.. this way ill weed out the bad ones.

Illogical thinking isnt going to get you very far. To find suitable mate you need the right qualities in Emotional Intelligence I.Q doesnt get you very far in relationships.

Talking about double standards.
I saw a social experimentation test on youtube.
Setting was at a park, where a couple was arguing(they are actors of course).
First test, the guy was action aggressive toward the girl and slapping the face and pushing her. People were disgusted and called the police.

Second Test, the roles were reversed, female is the aggressor, she was slapping, pulling hair pulling on the shirt, yelling, guess what happen? people just walked by, some even cheer for her. When the people were question after they said "he must have deserved it" or "she didn't look too dangerous" "it was harmless".

Is there a point to this?

Even now, Canadian law is highly biased toward women. Pretty much, if you are divorced, men pays you no matter what, even if the women cheated etc etc.

Those laws need looking at.

Even on a pregnancy result, men lose out.

If they don't want the kid, the women can have the kid and ruin his life, shouldn't the guy be void of responsibility if the women decided to have the child on her own?

Dont have sex with women you cant trust then?

why bother bringing a child into the world if the "parents" are not ready(esp teenagers).. all it is just a huge sink into the governments bank.
If men want the kid, and the women doesn't, then it is somewhat a lost for the guy.

If he cannot bring a baby to term due to a lack of female reproductive organs than he needs to accept the facts and get on with his life. Men cannot have children. You do not own your partners reproductive organs and therefore cannot force them to bring a child to term. There's no argument here, a woman has final say.

with feminist mind set(and some people who support that in this thread) about "equal"(yeah right) rights when all the men stay at home looking at kids while women go fight wars... will never happen and you know it.

That's all you have isnt it? "Men fight wars therefore you owe us" Get over yourself. You were born with a penis, not an AK-47 mate.

Double standard alert!

What!?

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Patriarchy is oligarchy. It isn't a war against women or men, it is a war on the individual.

Those are some fine words as well.

reply to post by darkbake


Your thread was actually the inspiration for this one I believe. Great post.

There is a lot of dysfunction in the area of male/female relationships.

But let's bring things down to basics.

Well up into the 1960's in many places (Texas for example) women were not allowed to own property in their name.

Think about that for a moment.

Say you're a woman in 1959 living in Texas. Your husband dies. Your husband owned your house, You are the surviving widow. But you know what? According to state law, you do not own your house anymore. You can't own a house in your name. You also can't own a credit card in your name (this was common throughout the US up through the 1970's)

Men, think about that for a moment. Think about the implications.

For the entire history of over 10,000 years, women have had to learn how to be passive aggressive, to manipulate men using sex, emotions, and other forms of control, in order to just SIMPLY [snip] SURVIVE. And to ensure their chidren's survival.

And let's bring something else into the picture. Abuse.

Many of the posters here probably haven't a framework for the word "abuse." Maybe you think of it just in the context of a man beating the [snip] out of a female because she isn't willing to put out sexually (remember, rape within a marriage was legal in most states until HORRIFICALLY RECENTLY.) Or maybe you think of it in the conveniently distant context of drug addicts or alcoholics beating up their wives because they were out of their minds on drugs.

But the reality I GREW UP WITH, and most women my age (I'm 44 and my parents grew up in the 1950's) was this:

You got used to the "man of the house" --- in this case, my father, and his father -- emotionally battering the [snip] out of their wives; yelling at them at family events about what a piece of [snip] they were, how stupid they were, insulting their intelligence, their integrity, and more.

And the kids just hid in the corners or in the back rooms while mom or grandmom either locked herself in the bathroom and cried for hours, or left the house to "take a drive," and then an hour two later, everybody would pretend everything was okay.

The reason why these women pretended everything was okay, and never stood up to their brutal assholes of husbands/fathers, was because THEY HAD NO MONEY. And they had no way to get it.

My grandmother worked in sales for most of her adult life but that paid nothing.

My mother was a teacher; teaching paid nothing back then, it still pays very little today.

None of these women could afford to leave their asshole husbands or they would immediately sink into poverty, and their children would sink into poverty with them.

"Feminism" inserted an idea into female consciousness that, you know, maybe we had some #k1innnngvalue; maybe we didn't HAVE to remain with abusive asssholllee men; maybe we could actually find jobs that ALMOST brought us up beyond the poverty level (although the truth is today, the minute a woman divorces her husband in the US, she STILL almost immediately sinks into the poverty level, dragging her kids down into a shadow world of no college prospects, no cars so that the kids can get their own jobs and drive themselves to work, and so on.)

Unfortunately feminism set women up for failure since women still make 70 cents for each dollar a man makes AT THE SAME JOB.

But for a brief time, women realized that, hey, maybe they didn't have to remain with horrible men; maybe they could venture out into the world and be respected, financially and personally.

It didn't work. It still doesn't work. In a world where raising a child to the age of 18 still costs some $200,000 (not including college) and women lose years of earnings if they choose to take time off raising a baby or a child, obviously, women are still pieces of [snip] in society.

But it would be REALLY NICE (and I know, here I head into fantasy zone) if men could just UNDERSTAND THIS BASIC [snip] and stop [snip] around saying feminism was the end of everything.

Feminism was the end of women pretending to themselves that they were second to men, that they were slaves, and that they deserved to put up with lifetimes of abuse from their husbands and fathers.

Be very clear; it didn't END that abuse. But it ended most women's belief that they needed to put up with it.

Finding the solutions, and healing the horrific intergenerational wounds between men and women, is going to take some time. Just as black people have every right to be, you know, [snip] off about how their ancestors were treated just a relatively few decades ago. Angry African Americans have EVERY RIGHT to be angry. Angry women have EVERY RIGHT to be angry, especially since so many of us are STILL dealing with fathers, grandfathers, and so on who treated their own women like [snip] and have to try to heal their own mothers' and grandmothers' horrific spiritual and personal wounds.

Pretending that all this stuff doesn't matter anymore? Naivete at its worst. ASSSHOLLERRRY at its worst.