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Feminism & The Downfall Of The Traditional Family

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posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 10:36 AM
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Now where would you get that from?
I hear a lot about 'absent ' fathers?




posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 10:42 AM
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posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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I'd go further and advise young men to get vasectomies in their teens and have it fixed in their 30's, and thus, do not become some fat woman's meal ticket for 18 years. Also, Thailand and the Philippines are literally overflowing with Western men living happily and in peace with women that appreciate men, and know what it means to be a women. Let the Western monsters sleep in the bed they have made for themselves.


Now that is really sad. I don't think that's the way to go. You can still find women that want to be traditional wives in America, they're just a little harder to come by. If you do find a wife in America and she already has those strong values, then you don't have to worry so much about those values changing. She's already been exposed to Western Feminism and it didn't affect her.

If any man is looking for a more traditional marriage, I would suggest having your gf of whoever you're thinking about proposing to read Created to be His Helpmeet. It's a great book and it really explains what an important and honorable thing it is to support your husband. It also goes into a lot of detail about why this will make your marriage more fulfilling for both of you. I got it before I got married and I reread it every year.

BTW: If she's not a Christian that book won't help.
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posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by Brown Bear

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by eletheia
I know of a couple of men who when they had split up from their wives have gone on to

import ? buy ? themselves a Thai/Phillipino bride who they then showed off

for 'their youth and housekeeping abilities' to all their friends.....That is till their new wives

got accustomed to their 'freedom' and new style of life and promptly left them for a

younger man!!




I wouldn't advise any man to buy a mail order bride.

Nor would I advise any young man today to marry an American feminist. Not with a 50% divorce rate (women instigate the majority of divorces) and men being taken to the cleaners in court.




I'd go further and advise young men to get vasectomies in their teens and have it fixed in their 30's, and thus, do not become some fat woman's meal ticket for 18 years.

Also, Thailand and the Philippines are literally overflowing with Western men living happily and in peace with women that appreciate men, and know what it means to be a woman.

Let the Western monsters sleep alone in the bed they have made for themselves.
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So, uh... what does it mean to be a woman? Personally, I don't have the balls to claim that I know the answer, since I'm a man. I really would like to hear your thoughts on what it truly means to be a woman.

Either way, do you honestly think that the attention-seeking, selfish and princess-like types of Generations Y and Z know squat about what feminism is? Do you think they would really go for it?



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:16 AM
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Firstly, I would like to say I do agree with your premise.
The introduction of "feminism" into society is in my mind, one of the leading causes of the degradation of society today.

But I would like to present to you what it is like to be a victim of "feminism" from a woman's side. I never asked for any of this. I am quite in tune with my feminine side and have never desired to ever be manly. Sure, I love wearing jeans and I pride myself on being able to do what men can do (fix a lawnmower, rig up an appliance, build things) but, my biggest pride of all lies in my ability to do only what a woman can do..which is to give birth.

I have spent all 35 years of my life fighting men who think that all women are feminists. It is one of the most painful things I can think of. Starting with my father, who believed that only unliberated women were housewives and bore children, that all women should be executives, lawyers, doctors, etc., ad nauseum, that a woman's greatest right is to have an abortion.
He abused my mother and left her when I was 18 months old and my brother was 3, because he could not stand that she put us children ahead of a career. He has thusly spent the rest of my life trying to punish my mother for this, and when I started to get older, punishing me as well. In turn, I ended up with no fatherly guidance, only verbal and mental abuse from a man who found me worthless unless I was in a high-paying career. When I had my first child, my father was angry. He told my then boyfriend to leave me. When I had my second child almost 12 years later, he was angry yet again and told my husband to leave me. My husband also thought I was worthless unless I was earning money, and so I worked, leaving my newborn at home with my family. Not until I was laid off in 2010 did he finally realize my paltry income was not worth it, and I ended up staying at home. I love this life a lot better. I am actually happy doing the cooking and cleaning and baking and running around.
Sadly, I am still being punished my father who believes my contributions as a homemaker to be worthless.
Now that he is realizing I no longer value his opinions, he is starting in on my 18 year old daughter, putting his warped values on to her.
She just got her first boyfriend and my dad went ballistic. Thankfully she is pretty strong willed and is sure of her convictions and very feminine herself. She is disgusted with the women of today that "act like men". She turns heads everywhere she goes and I believe it is because she is feminine, not feminist. Her guy friends are always telling her she is so different from the other girls they know..she is sweet, does not play head games, and is happy in her own personality. There is a woman that lives in an apartment above her that constantly berates her boyfriend/husband/whatever and I don't know how he deals.
At any rate, we are all victims of this. Because of this, my ideals are viewed as warped, old-fashioned, and crazy. Men now are so used to freely available sex, that there is nothing to stay in a relationship for. Everything seems to be disintegrating. I for one, know this was intentional.
My dad is always posting these "progressive woman" pictures on his FB page, and these are the "liberated" types who view abortion as birth control, who claw their way up to the top in their careers. Meanwhile he scoffs at my type. When I post a picture of a lovely dinner and dessert I create, he bitches on about how it is not good (too fattening, diabetes, etc.). When I talk about being a mother, he seems really annoyed.
I have been the at-home mom, and the career mom, and let me tell you..at-home is so much more rewarding. I feel in "my place".
One of the most common things you will hear now is that a woman has a baby to "trap a man". I am sure there are women that do this, but most of the ones I know have children because that is their biological calling. Telling a woman that if she does not abort means she is trapping a man is sickening. My father did this to my mother, and both of my children's fathers used this wording with me. I was young when I had my daughter, but old enough to know that I did not want to kill my unborn. I never asked a thing of her father and only after realizing he did actually need to be responsible for her did I ask. When I got pregnant with my son, I was actually on birth control (depo) but got pregnant. I was once again accused of "getting pregnant on purpose to trap"..it really is ridiculous. Sadly, there is a world of men out there that truly believe that all women trap men. They don't realize that it takes two to tango and a baby is not created by one person.
At any rate, I am proud to be a mother and a woman, and I do not want to be a man in a man's world. Give me a nice kitchen anyday, and all my household gadgets and you will have some great meals, a clean house, and to boot, some well-raised children!
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posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:22 AM
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PLEASE...Do tell what is the title of the book your husband has read before your marriage

and reads again every year to keep you happy??


Seems to me in this situation... the sauce that is suitable for the gander is not suitable for the

goose?



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:35 AM
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You misunderstand everything I say. I choose to read the book because I like it. My husband doesn't read much. He's usually out working on an oil well.

You're doing the exact thing I was talking about. You've got that condescending tone with me because I simply suggested a book that I feel really prepared me for the kind of marriage I wanted to have. Why would you have a problem with that? I'm not telling you to read it.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:41 AM
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Our bed hasn't been empty for 30 years and we are both very happy being equal in a relationship.

In addition, the women in those poor countries have no choice but to cling onto a wealthy (compared to their standard of living) Western man, or look to marriage as a means of survival. I needn't explain what would happen if those Western men brought their wives to live in a Western country, now do I? I believe the proof is in the pudding.
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posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:46 AM
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I would go further and put it a lot stronger than that....Indeed if it were possible I would make

it compulsory for young men to get vasectomies and then we may not have so many absent

fathers and feckless single mothers, who think it a career move to have a baby

which opens the door to their own accommodation and an income off the state.


Parenting of either sex is a responsibility which is often not taken seriously enough



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by InTheLight

Our bed hasn't been empty for 30 years and we are both very happy being equal in a relationship.


If feminism works for you and your spouse, go for it.

If a traditional relationship works for others, then that is great as well.


By the way, no one is saying that women are not equal to men. Just different. Feminists struggle with that concept.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:52 AM
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Where did I mention that I was a feminist? If wanting respect, equality, and having mutual goals within a relationship is being a feminist, then I guess I am...then again so is my husband.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:53 AM
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My Great Grandma was born in 1918 and is still alive today, she'd laugh at this thread. Why? Because some people don't have a realistic understanding of the 'good old days' and instead live in some leave it to beaver fantasy.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:56 AM
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Women in the era before the 'good old days' had to be tough and were expected to work (in the fields) alongside their men.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:57 AM
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Ok then, let me begin. You can push people (men) only so far before they begin to push back. And when we do start to push back, I don't think any woman will be able to stand against us. I mean, I'm a strong guy and I'd love to see any woman try to push me around.

The point I'm trying to make is that some foresight is needed else it will get ugly in the future. And I have no doubts in my mind which side will be the losing one if men decide to push back.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by InTheLight

Where did I mention that I was a feminist? If wanting respect, equality, and having mutual goals within a relationship is being a feminist, then I guess I am...then again so is my husband.


Sorry. I didn't mean to insult calling you a feminist. The term does tend to have negative connotations these days.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 12:10 PM
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Your husband sounds like he has his pair cut off by you already, else he would DARE to force his will on you for some decisions. If you were my wife, yup you would have to follow my lead sometimes, whether you liked it or not.

Nobody is arguing that women need equal rights. The point being argued is women being treated greater/better than men. And if you think it's just whining, imagine this scenario. A guy hits a girl. He is immediately arrested and faces charges. A girl hits a guy, aww how cute. You see how biased society has become?

The whole legal system is terribly biased against men and unless you want us behaving like savages and taking justice into our own hands, then it is time to change the legal system and the whole point of view of the society itself.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 12:10 PM
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That term did not insult me, I was asking you a question (which you did not answer by the way; and that says alot).
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posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by InTheLight
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And I would warn all women to watch out (be very leery) of men seeking subservient females.
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Despite decades of feminazi bs most women still want to be a woman, and love to feel sexy, and there is nothing more sexy (to the unbrainwashed woman) than submitting to a worthy man. If a woman makes a choice to dedicate herself to a strong provider, raise his children, and keep a good home then surely true feminism should support her choice. There is a difference between submission, and subservience when a woman submits her power of female attractiveness to the masculine power of a steady provider man.

Awaiting indignant shrieking from the pre-programmed fembots.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 12:23 PM
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It appears the indignant shreiking role has been filled by yourself. As well, you don't mention the man's part in raising 'his' children?
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posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 12:29 PM
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Why isn't there a 'hide this comment forever before stupidity fills the entire earth' button on this site?





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