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Originally posted by BDBinc
reply to post by otherpotato
I was told paying some to look after your children( or sending them to daycare) was a corporate model.
Having family,friends or relatives help partake and to feel that raising children is the whole village's responsibility is a tribal model.
Please understand I did not say how you should raise your children yourself or criticize you in anyway, I just said it's a corporate model of childcare (so is daycare and putting babies into it at 6 weeks) and not tribal .
I do think the tribal love and connection to the whole community was better though.
Originally posted by Cuervo
Originally posted by resoe26
Some Women need to know thier pinche role cuervo. Entiendes?
How delightfully racist. I think we understand each other now. Good luck finding somebody you can walk all over in life to cook your food and carry your spawn to full term.
If you are a man with vagina envy, do not blame your missing father. Blame your own inability to be a real man which probably stems from a father who thinks as you do. By "real man", I mean the kind of man who can stand on equal footing with women without crying about it.
So... having half of our species wake up and realize they won't be ostracized for leaving their abusive husbands is a bad thing? The feminist "movement" wasn't necessarily a movement of shackling men, it was a movement to liberate a woman's perspective.
SIGNS THAT YOU’RE IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP
Your Inner Thoughts and Feelings Your Partner’s Belittling Behavior
Do you:
feel afraid of your partner much of the time?
Does your partner:
humiliate or yell at you?
avoid certain topics out of fear of angering your partner?
criticize you and put you down?
feel that you can’t do anything right for your partner?
treat you so badly that you’re embarrassed for your friends or family to see?
believe that you deserve to be hurt or mistreated?
ignore or put down your opinions or accomplishments?
wonder if you’re the one who is crazy?
blame you for their own abusive behavior?
feel emotionally numb or helpless?
see you as property or a sex object, rather than as a person?
Your Partner’s Violent Behavior or Threats Your Partner’s Controlling Behavior
Does your partner:
have a bad and unpredictable temper?
Does your partner:
act excessively jealous and possessive?
hurt you, or threaten to hurt or kill you?
control where you go or what you do?
threaten to take your children away or harm them?
keep you from seeing your friends or family?
threaten to commit suicide if you leave?
limit your access to money, the phone, or the car?
force you to have sex?
destroy your belongings?
constantly check up on you?
Women in science
Main article: Women in science
Science is largely a male-dominated field, with notable exceptions.[81] A large majority of male scientists are the ones who have made the discoveries, written the books and thus have written the rules of what to study and how to study it. There is evidence suggesting that this is a product of stereotypes (e.g. science as "manly") as well as self-fulfilling prophecies.[82][83] Experiments have shown that parents challenge and explain more to boys than girls, asking them to reflect more deeply and logically.[84] Physicist Evelyn Fox Keller argues that science has masculine stereotypes causing ego and competitiveness to obstruct progress, and that these tendencies prevent collaboration and sharing of information.[85]
Women have faced a lot of discrimination getting not only credit for their scientific discoveries but also getting opportunities. Both in research and professorship the quantity of females are very limited in comparison to their male counterparts.[86] The lack of females in science can be directly associated with the social atmosphere which has always treated science as a more masculine area of study.[87] Beginning with boys being pushed more towards academia and girls being confined to the domestic sphere, females have faced both discrimination and difficulty entering into science. Those who are a part of the scientific community find it difficult to break the "glass ceiling" which thus limits how far they can advance within the field. The barrier between work and home has also been an obstacle that women have had to overcome to succeed in the sciences. The achievements of women in science are attributed to their defiance of traditional status of being a laborer within the domestic sphere.[88]
Feminist authors and leaders who hail from various educational backgrounds such as Londa Schiebinger, Anne Fausto-Sterling, Bonnie Spanier, and Evelyn Fox Keller[89] have published many works interpreting and critiquing science from a feminist perspective. Some criticisms include the gendered metaphors in science, the lack of representation of females in the sciences, how science is used to back up the ideals of patriarchy, and sex/gender dichotomies.
Funny the OP made a point about modern men being treated in a similar fashion and you go off about how that is how women used to be treated in a similar manner. Good one!
Domestic violence is what you have been describing here is a link to some info about it.
www.helpguide.org...
Funny as I think by most descriptions of modern relationships just as many women fit these descriptions as men.
Example:
Does your partner:
have a bad and unpredictable temper?
blame you for their own abusive behavior?
ignore or put down your opinions or accomplishments?
keep you from seeing your friends or family?
constantly check up on you?
My work environment is primarily women and one thing I can tell you is that if there is a man around he will immediately become the scapegoat. One of the major problems I see with the modern feminist movement is they want all the benefits and credit while taking none of the risk or responsibility. Just something I have noticed after a few years of experience.
My mother was a big time feminist and wondered by she could never keep a man when she is the definition of control freak. The ideology just doesn't mesh with reality based upon the actual chemical processes which take place in the brains of men and women.
Modern feminism really denounces the scientifically tested notion that women are more interested in supporting rather than providing. This is linked to a concept called evolution.
Originally posted by otherpotato
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
Modern feminism really denounces the scientifically tested notion that women are more interested in supporting rather than providing. This is linked to a concept called evolution.
Source please.
Butler
Postmodern feminism's major departure from other branches of feminism is perhaps the argument that sex, or at least gender is itself constructed through language, a view notably propounded in Judith Butler's 1990 book, Gender Trouble. She draws on and critiques the work of Simone de Beauvoir, Michel Foucault, and Jacques Lacan, as well as on Luce Irigaray's argument that what we conventionally regard as 'feminine' is only a reflection of what is constructed as masculine.[4]
Butler criticises the distinction drawn by previous feminisms between (biological) sex and (socially constructed) gender. She asks why we assume that material things (such as the body) are not subject to processes of social construction themselves. Butler argues that this does not allow for a sufficient criticism of essentialism: though recognizing that gender is a social construct, feminists assume it's always constructed in the same way. Her argument implies that women's subordination has no single cause or single solution; postmodern feminism is thus criticized for offering no clear path to action. Butler herself rejects the term "postmodernism" as too vague to be meaningful.[5]
Arguably, Butler derives this rejection to postmodernism from misreadings of Cherrie Moraga’s work. “She reads Moraga’s statement that ‘the danger lies in ranking the oppressions’ to mean that we have no way of adjudicating among different kinds of oppressions—that any attempt to casually relate or hierarchize the varieties of oppressions people suffer constitutes an imperializing, colonizing, or totalizing gesture that renders the effort invalid…thus, although Butler at first appears to have understood the critiques of women who have been historically precluded form occupying the position of the ‘subject’ of feminism, it becomes clear that their voices have been merely instrumental to her” (Moya, 790) Moya contends that because Butler feels that the varieties of oppressions cannot be summarily ranked, that they cannot be ranked at all; and takes a short-cut by throwing out the idea of not only postmodernism, but women in general.
French feminism
French feminism from the 1970s onwards has forged specific routes in postmodern feminism and in feminist psychoanalysis, through such writers as Julia Kristeva and Hélène Cixous.
Cixous argued for a new form of writing, writing with the body - a kind of writing rooted not in biology but in liguistic change.
Biology and gender
For more details on this topic, see Gender essentialism and Sexual differentiation.
Modern feminist science challenges the biological essentialist view of gender.[123][124] However, it is increasingly interested in the study of biological sex differences and their effect on human behavior. For example, Anne Fausto-Sterling's book, Myths of Gender, explores the assumptions embodied in scientific research that purports to support a biologically essentialist view of gender.[125] In Delusions of Gender Cordelia Fine disputes all scientific evidence for innate biological differences between men and women's minds, and that cultural and societal beliefs result in all commonly perceived sex differences.
No offense but as to your throwing the scientific method into the mix you should be aware that you must back it up with facts and figures. These facts an figures would also show that advances in science and technology have been driven by the male gender.
So your argument on that front is essentially moot.
As to your matriarchies, where are they now? If they were better why did they not take over?
Modern feminism really denounces the scientifically tested notion that women are more interested in supporting rather than providing. This is linked to a concept called evolution.
Also the pressures of work and providing result in dramatically different levels of stress for men and women.
One last thought.
Why do the successful almost always thank their mother first and foremost?
Most of the greats of mankind were raised and supported by women, not men. I think this is an important fact that many feminist women overlook.
women's subordination has no single cause or single solution
Originally posted by coldweather
reply to post by InTheLight
Why isn't there a 'hide this comment forever before stupidity fills the entire earth' button on this site?
Meanwhile, of course, young girls are encouraged to act like loose older women. Some of the clothing they sell for LITTLE girls these days is extremely tacky! Some of the things parents do with their kids on some tv shows, even worse.
Originally posted by DirtyD
reply to post by resoe26