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Originally posted by smithjustinb
reply to post by Jameliel
Satan wants your hate and fear so he showed you reasons to justify it.
All god did was create the world. There's nothing bad about it because God is a perfect creator. But if you believe that there is a problem, you believe there is a problem. God didn't create suffering. You did from your lack of faith in God's works. Make no mistake. There is one creator and one creation.
To call something bad is to say, "god, you're not that great at what you do". And then you'll say, "let's do it this way". So now all of a sudden, there are many technological gods and dominating power structures and hierarchies of status, superiority, slaves, racism, etc. All because you thought God's creation was bad.
And even after all of these things have happened, it's still not bad. It may be progressively getting easier to see how it is bad, but it's never going to be bad. Before it crosses the line, we will destroy ourselves completely. And then, there will be no one left to call it, "bad". Satan is a metaphor for our inability to see and accept the truth.
Originally posted by Jameliel
Originally posted by smithjustinb
reply to post by Jameliel
Satan wants your hate and fear so he showed you reasons to justify it.
All god did was create the world. There's nothing bad about it because God is a perfect creator. But if you believe that there is a problem, you believe there is a problem. God didn't create suffering. You did from your lack of faith in God's works. Make no mistake. There is one creator and one creation.
To call something bad is to say, "god, you're not that great at what you do". And then you'll say, "let's do it this way". So now all of a sudden, there are many technological gods and dominating power structures and hierarchies of status, superiority, slaves, racism, etc. All because you thought God's creation was bad.
And even after all of these things have happened, it's still not bad. It may be progressively getting easier to see how it is bad, but it's never going to be bad. Before it crosses the line, we will destroy ourselves completely. And then, there will be no one left to call it, "bad". Satan is a metaphor for our inability to see and accept the truth.
That is your opinion. I believe Satan is an actual entity who exerts influence. I do not believe satan is a simple metaphor.
Originally posted by Jameliel
reply to post by akushla99
Again...that is your opinion. You can present reasons why you think* its absolutely true, but you cannot prove it. I believe satan is an actual conscious entity. The same way you or I are individuals linked but with independent thoughts, I believe satan to be an independent entity with links.
Can I prove this without materializing satan? Probably no more than you can=) This is my belief though.
There are some on these boards who say they are actual "Arks", or arch-angels. Would you believe them?
Originally posted by akushla99
Originally posted by Jameliel
reply to post by akushla99
Again...that is your opinion. You can present reasons why you think* its absolutely true, but you cannot prove it. I believe satan is an actual conscious entity. The same way you or I are individuals linked but with independent thoughts, I believe satan to be an independent entity with links.
Can I prove this without materializing satan? Probably no more than you can=) This is my belief though.
There are some on these boards who say they are actual "Arks", or arch-angels. Would you believe them?
Proof..is irrelevant, except where it pertains to you, subjectively...
I can allow anyone to determine whether what I say is opinion because from anothers' point of view, it always is...
However...having immersed myself in this subject for near on 30 years...and I do mean immersion...the breadth of the religious experience, vis-a-vis the mechanics of how things work, coupled with personal observation (amongst other things) does not lead me to believe...anything...
My knoeledge can always be added to...the addition in no way diminishes what I already knoe...it has always illumined it and made it clearer...
I would never discount a claim of 'archangel'...it would be a timewasting distraction...I am more interested in sensing the message being conveyed...i.e. if it gels with what I knoe...if it doesn't immediately gel...back to the books...but having read most of the cosmological treatises more than once...I have seen a confluence which defies mere opinion...and indeed, practice every day to 'test' what is learnt, or surmised...I have not been disappointed...
A99
Originally posted by smithjustinb
reply to post by Jameliel
Whether or not Satan is an entity or a metaphor is irrelevant. In either case, the effect it has on reality is the same, except when you see that Satan is really your own mindset, at least you don't have to believe you are powerless to evil forces, and can remain independent, and therefore, free.
Originally posted by Jameliel
Originally posted by akushla99
Originally posted by Jameliel
reply to post by akushla99
Again...that is your opinion. You can present reasons why you think* its absolutely true, but you cannot prove it. I believe satan is an actual conscious entity. The same way you or I are individuals linked but with independent thoughts, I believe satan to be an independent entity with links.
Can I prove this without materializing satan? Probably no more than you can=) This is my belief though.
There are some on these boards who say they are actual "Arks", or arch-angels. Would you believe them?
Proof..is irrelevant, except where it pertains to you, subjectively...
I can allow anyone to determine whether what I say is opinion because from anothers' point of view, it always is...
However...having immersed myself in this subject for near on 30 years...and I do mean immersion...the breadth of the religious experience, vis-a-vis the mechanics of how things work, coupled with personal observation (amongst other things) does not lead me to believe...anything...
My knoeledge can always be added to...the addition in no way diminishes what I already knoe...it has always illumined it and made it clearer...
I would never discount a claim of 'archangel'...it would be a timewasting distraction...I am more interested in sensing the message being conveyed...i.e. if it gels with what I knoe...if it doesn't immediately gel...back to the books...but having read most of the cosmological treatises more than once...I have seen a confluence which defies mere opinion...and indeed, practice every day to 'test' what is learnt, or surmised...I have not been disappointed...
A99
Whose time wasted? Who determines what is waste? What is wasted to you may be time well spent to another. Maybe you should try coming out of immersion since you said you spent 30 years or more "immersed". I see more and more abstract ideas, coupled with abstract ways of reaching these ideas. Everyone is right, no one is wrong. Everything is good, nothing is bad. Everything "just is". Total chaos. No order, but in this non-order, there is order. There is an absolute order to everything, even if we do not recognize it. Someone is right, someone is wrong. Some are partially right and partially wrong.
You don't "allow" anyone to determine. They will determine with or without your allowance. You "allow" yourself to believe what you want to believe. Anyways back to the OP, blaming "the devil" for something you personally did would be a cop out in my opinion. If we get into what constitutes "the devil", then that's another topic entirely. I believe "the dveil" to be satan, an actual entity.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by akushla99
You're about 70 years late. Physicists determined quite some time ago that we live in more than 3 dimensions. The current understanding is 11D.
Yes, many here will say all kinds of things against, and judge, but if the highest of above doesn't do it, what gives the ones here the right?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jhill76
I have no idea what you're talking about. The devil leads men to sin, natural disasters and losing one's car keys isn't sin.