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Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by akushla99
It is apparent that the Apostles had an incomplete understanding of how God does what he does, or how what has been set in motion by God, plays out...
All questions that relate to 'being cursed at birth' show a misunderstanding of the mechanisms that operate through us/with us/by us...that are misunderstood by many...
As I said, that was the cultural impression that the Jewish people of that time held. It wasn't unique to the Apostles, and isn't held today (so far as I know.)
No, it doesn't. It encourages virtue - because if you know you will be held accountable (just like with Abrahamic 'Day of Judgment') you are less likely to be destructive.
There's no reason for "eternal torture" - we are all capable of learning. Why would "God" impose an "eternal" life-sentence of torture if he knows we can do better?
And if WE know we can do better - If every toddler who falls over learning to walk has - as punishment - their legs amputated by their parents, what the hell good does that do?? NOTHING! It results only in a bunch of legless toddlers.
Can you see?? If you told the child "walk correctly the first time, or I will cut your legs off!", don't you think someone would swoop in and snatch that child away from you so that he or she had at least a CHANCE?
Originally posted by Akragon
That's great!
Lets see what else he said....
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Glad you brought this passage up...
Read it closely... have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush "God" spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Now at this time when Jesus said this... was Abraham, Isaac, an Jacob alive or dead?
Dead.... that's right... and what was the next verse? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by Akragon
That's great!
Lets see what else he said....
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
In John 10, Jesus was talking about the gods and prophets of Ba'al.
The same ones that Elijah fought against.
Jesus was talking about the resurrection. This is why he referred to God as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He was telling everyone that all three (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) were resurrected and alive. That's why he was referred to as the God of the living.
I guess they aren't the only ones that erred in their understanding.
Originally posted by sled735
Oh, Poop! I can't read Portuguese, and my translator isn't working on the PDF! What a let-down! Sigh....
Please let us know when this is ready in the English version.
Thanks
Originally posted by Taunos
Originally posted by sled735
Oh, Poop! I can't read Portuguese, and my translator isn't working on the PDF! What a let-down! Sigh....
Please let us know when this is ready in the English version.
Thanks
Hi Sled735, try your translator in this pdf - it's an ebook and not scanned pages.
Exiled from Capella
Originally posted by Akragon
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of course im sure theres no way to prove the remains of peter are actually there... So lets just use basically anyone who was "resurrected" aside from Jesus?
By the way, Zechariah was one of those people that came before him... obviously
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by Deetermined
Interesting assumption... considering neither are mentioned...
So when he said ALL that came before me.... He actually meant "some that came before me"...
Originally posted by Akragon
Now the resurrection is a physical thing right?
Like Jesus all three of their bodies were raised from the dead?
Any proof for this in the books that mention these people? I don't recall reading any of them were "resurrected" but I could be wrong...
You can take stuff out of context in the bible and make it say anything you want. Here's what Jesus was talking about when he said "all those who came before me were thieves and robbers", false Messiah's which according to Gamaliel, a well known rabbi when Christ was walking the earth, made a comment that was recorded in the book of Acts about there being uprisings from other false Messiah's before Jesus, whose rebellions were put down after they were executed.
The thread has been going well --- and I wasn't quite done yet....but, if it's going to turn to Bible scripture and zombie-reanimation arguments.... perhaps it's run its course.
I also believe Jesus was not a man but a woman, Mary specifically. I think Paul's insistence on women staying quiet while in church points to this. Also, Da Vinci's works point toward "him" being a her as well.
But yeah... he/she most definitely taught the concept of reincarnation, only the church changed his/her message because it's easier to control people when you convince them they only have one chance.
Your analogy with the tree earlier was great btw. You really hit the nail on the head with that one, good job.
Certainly other contemporary scholars and literature did support reincarnation.
In all honesty, I don't get the concept of resurrection at all! It seems to me to be a manipulation of the concept of reincarnation to fit a particular brand of fear and limitation. It appears to be most illogical.