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Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by windword
Jesus was resurrected in his own flesh and blood body. Where is the evidence of the Saints' resurrected bodies? When does this resurrection, supposedly take place?
Jesus came to his disciples in a way that they would recognize him, but not in the same body. Our bodies will return to the dust of the ground and we'll be given new bodies.
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
The fact that Jesus came and "stood in the midst" even with the "doors being shut" is significant in describing what his abilities were.
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
The new and resurrected body won't age? What age will it appear to be? The age of our death or some other age? Will there be children and grandparents in heaven?
The Bible doesn't tell us what age we will be it only tells us over and over that the body will be "incorruptible" and incapable of death, so there is no need to age.
This eating thing that you speak of, why? Why would we need or want to eat? Will we poop and pee in heaven?
Eating has always been a breaking of bread, bonding and social experience for people. This will not change in heaven.
Revelation 21 & 22 tell us about the river of life and the tree of life being in heaven and other trees along the river. It may be figurative, but since we know that Jesus was able to eat, we will be able to do that as well. Our bodies will not be designed the same way obviously, so no, I don't think we'll be pooping and peeing.
Why is it written that Jesus ate fish and honeycomb, after his resurrection? Did he need nutrition. after his epic ordeal?
No nutrition needed. Our bodies will be "incorruptible". We will not go hungry and we will not thirst. We won't need to eat, but we'll be able to do so if we choose.
Will there be the killing of animals and robbing of trees, birds and bees for food in heaven?
There will be no need to.
Why didn't Jesus manifest and eat "manna from heaven" and manifest Ambrosia, the nectar of the gods, to drink, like he did at the infamous wedding miracle?
He was no longer "human", but the full extent of what he showed to his disciples is not known based on all of the accounts of Jesus' appearance to his disciples.
Where is the Kingdom of Heaven? Why did Jesus say that is it being attacked violently?
“Therefore, I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and will be given to a people who will produce fruit.”
I don't know why, other than the fact that during the Millennium here on earth, the existence will be very similar to that of heaven in mannerism, but not physically (people will still multiply, age and die during this period). After the Millennium is over and the current earth is replaced with the "New Jerusalem" there will not be a sun, moon or oceans like there is now.
That does nothing to answer my question. It, actually just proves that Jesus was still in his earthly body of flesh and bones and still bore the wounds of his ordeal. He was alive, not a walking "living dead zombie."
We know that angels are capable of transfiguring into human form, so why can't Christ? Remember the verses we were talking about (in another thread) in the old testament about "men" communing with Abraham that turned out to be angels and Lot calling one of them Lord? See how they are referenced differently between Genesis 17, 18 and 19? I think this answers our question on their abilities as well as the ones we will inherit.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by windword
As far as Matthew 21:43
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
The answer can be found in Matthew 21:45
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
The gospel of the kingdom of God was taken away from the chief priests and Pharisees and given to the apostles to spread throughout the world and the rest of the gentile nations.
We know that angels are capable of transfiguring into human form, so why can't Christ?
What I post in the form of scripture is how I see it, otherwise, I wouldn't have posted it (even though I've researched all of the other religions beliefs on the matter).
I believe that reincarnation experiences are the same as ghostly/dead experiences. They are all spirits from below trying to confuse beliefs so that no one can claim for sure what's true. Satan is the father of lies. That's why we need the Holy Spirit to help determine what's true.
There's a spiritual warfare going on.
Forgive me for saying this, Akragon, but you interpret most Bible verses entirely different than the biblical scholars, but you already know that.
As for the "heavenly body" or incorruptible body, if you read the story of Jesus coming to the disciples after his resurrection, you'll get a pretty good idea of what it's going to be like.
- The body can appear and disappear at will (and transform)
- You will be able to eat and drink
- The body won't age
- The body won't get sick
- The body doesn't require sleep
Satan is mentioned 49 times in the Bible and that's not even counting the other names such as "prince of the air", "god of this world", etc..
I think you don't know much about Satan or the Bible because you don't read it.
2 Corinthians 11
12 But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.
So, a child spontaneously knowing the names and addresses and details from his former lifetime, is to be presumed as 'possessed'?
Have you ever felt the presence - or seen evidence of - a ghost? I have.
based on that idea, im sure the pins in my shoulder will still be there right?
I have a friend that's missing a finger.... that won't be present either... correct?
Jesus taught reincarnation which is exactly why he was murdered.