A list of already debunked theories, re: Sandy hook

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by hypattia

 

link goes to a screenshot, search for her on fb, no pic, no posts, therefore no proof of anything. Give me a link to her fb page so that I can see those posts myself.

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reply to post by frazzle


The Connecticut State Police Major Crime Unit would have immediately, by State Law been given the authority to assume the lead role in the crime investigation, the only Federal Agencies that were involved were the ATF at the request of the CT State Police.

It's not that they took over persay, it's that the law would have given them control over what could have been a multi-jurisdictional situation.

They have the specialized unit to handle the situation, whereas Newtown did not.

Just an aside, the CT Census put Newtown (and all it's little parts) Population at 29K+ during the last check in 2012 it's not that large a police presence for that much land area and that many people..

Now if it had happened in Hartford say or New Haven then it would be a joint operation.

I need to clarify something from earlier, because apparently the local Patch article had it wrong.. The State of Connecticut did not in any way have a school shooting drill in any town within the state on the day of the Sandy Hook Shooting, Putnam CT, in Windham County did not have a drill.

However, across the border, in New York State, a countywide drill was held in Putnam County NY that simulated an attack. This had nothing to do with Connecticut, and New York offered it's ESU units because they were already mobilized for the drill across the border.

So CT did not have a drill, New York did.. confusin yes I know..

reply to post by vkey08


I've seen video snippets of the FBI in camo gear. A sight I had never seen before.
What about that? Just hanging out around the Fire Dept, but why?

Anyway, in your clipboard carrying capacity, could I trouble you to verify whether or not
there were two adults injured, not just one?
Where were they taken since Danbury Hospital does not acknowledge them?
Why would the hospital be put on lockdown following a shooting at the school
when their open services would be most needed perhaps?

In your experience, when there is a drill, does the cooperating hospital in training go on lockdown if that is
what the script calls for?

TIA

Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by DelMarvel

 

I'm in Connecticut..... just sayin.... But I'll be darned if I'm going to give my real name out on here..

I wasn't singling you out. Obviously you wouldn't want your name attached to any of this lunacy or you and your family might wind up the subject of creepy Youtube videos and who knows what else. Unfortunately, the people in Connecticut who have already been named don't have that option.

I guess my point is that virtually all of these outlandish speculations are anonymous and come from people who have no first hand information whatsoever. Say what you will about the traditional media at least people attach their names to what they say. And compared to the blogosphere there is an attempt to research what they print or say and to be objective.

reply to post by vkey08


Yes it is. Thank you though.
That is what I wanted to know all along, whether or not any teams from the "drill" found their way onto
the "live" action going down at Sandy Hook. You answered in the affirmative and gave the correct drill info.
How far away was that drill from Sandy Hook, if you know off hand otherwise, I'll "map it".

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
reply to post by vkey08

 

I've seen video snippets of the FBI in camo gear. A sight I had never seen before.
What about that? Just hanging out around the Fire Dept, but why?

Anyway, in your clipboard carrying capacity, could I trouble you to verify whether or not
there were two adults injured, not just one?
Where were they taken since Danbury Hospital does not acknowledge them?
Why would the hospital be put on lockdown following a shooting at the school
when their open services would be most needed perhaps?

In your experience, when there is a drill, does the cooperating hospital in training go on lockdown if that is
what the script calls for?

TIA

Two were injured, I don't know if they were taken to Danbury or not, there are a few smaller hospitals in the area as well. They also could have been moved to Yale New Haven but there's no record "out in the wild" of where they were taken, it's also possible that they didn't suffer injuries that needed hospitalization and were cleared by EMS at the scene.

The FBI office in New Haven sent up a couple (not sure of the number) of people to help, but they were not primaries nor were they actively investigating the incident, since it was a gun crime that honor would have been given to ATF.

As far as a hospital on lockdown, that's absolutely normal in a fluid situation, they would have locked down Danbury to accept only victims of the incident and shunted all others to either Northern Westchester Hospital in Mount Kisko NY, or Yale New Haven in New Haven CT, or if it was serious enough Lifestar would have brought them to Hartford Hospital or St Francis Hospital (Both in Hartford) , or even possibly Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla NY. This was set up after the dual storms last year when places like Danbury had limited power resources, and Hartford and St Francis had better generators.

During a drill they would go on simulated lockdown, as it is meant to not inconvenience the people of the state, only a small portion of the facility would be involved in the drill not the whole hospital..

Addendum: as I was typing this I decided to call and ask what the reason for a hospital lockdown was and I was off a bit on it, apparently there was a situation where a suspect followed the ambulances to the hospital and went to finish out the victims, so now they lockdown active hospitals to keep that from happening.

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter
reply to post by vkey08

 

Yes it is. Thank you though.
That is what I wanted to know all along, whether or not any teams from the "drill" found their way onto
the "live" action going down at Sandy Hook. You answered in the affirmative and gave the correct drill info.
How far away was that drill from Sandy Hook, if you know off hand otherwise, I'll "map it".

Not far? Newtown, Bethel, Danbury then New York so I'd say no more than 15-20 minutes away at best? 15.23 miles away according to the highway map.

reply to post by vkey08


Vkey08,

A few questions, if you don't mind.
Since you are local, are you engaged in any independent investigation?
If you are, would you be willing to share any verifiable findings on this forum?Otherwise, what is your purpose here?

Why is this thread still getting posts?

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Why is this thread still getting posts?

You tell me.
Did I miss something?

Originally posted by Pilot

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Why is this thread still getting posts?

You tell me.
Did I miss something?

Dunno. There was a shooting. A lot of folks died. Then the world kept spinning, and life kept happening for the rest of the world.

Yet for some reason, this is a "hot topic". Go figure. Doom porners.

Originally posted by Pilot
reply to post by vkey08

 

Vkey08,

A few questions, if you don't mind.
Since you are local, are you engaged in any independent investigation?
If you are, would you be willing to share any verifiable findings on this forum?Otherwise, what is your purpose here?

Unfortunately, I am awaiting the report that the State Police will eventually release, and I don't feel it is my place to "investigate" this situation, my state is trying to heal, and some of the "theories" that have been posted have been bordering on evil (ie: Calling parents paid actors, denying children died because noone saw their bodies)

Since I was down there that day, and continue to be in state (as I live here) I am trying to let people know how things work here, to some parts of the country they seem odd, such as the fact we have no county governments here in CT (and thus no sheriff's or county police departments), or how Newtown is made up of several smaller towns..

I love a conspiracy as much as the next person, it's why i'm here, I'm also an active debater (and Texan, forgive me, but your type of comments are why i'm hanging around this thread, they are insensitive, I hate to say that of a fellow fighter, but) however, there are some things, we hear about up here, that arent' being reported elsewhere, and are being talked about out and about in state that the news is not talking about. It's more about clarification than anything else..

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


It would be better to ignore it? I'm down with that, however if *someone* decides to politicize it with prejudice, it would be much harder to backtrack and try to convince people it was a put on.

reply to post by hypattia


Don't link me to youtube vids either, that's not proof. Nope her actual fb page, or a news article. Surely she spoke to the media? If for no other reason than to correct the error.

Nope, I smell something fishy about her allegations and from what I can tell from her online presence, it seems to be more about promoting her handcraft business....sad, sad, sad...

Originally posted by vkey08

Originally posted by Pilot
reply to post by vkey08

 

Vkey08,

A few questions, if you don't mind.
Since you are local, are you engaged in any independent investigation?
If you are, would you be willing to share any verifiable findings on this forum?Otherwise, what is your purpose here?

Unfortunately, I am awaiting the report that the State Police will eventually release, and I don't feel it is my place to "investigate" this situation, my state is trying to heal, and some of the "theories" that have been posted have been bordering on evil (ie: Calling parents paid actors, denying children died because noone saw their bodies)

Since I was down there that day, and continue to be in state (as I live here) I am trying to let people know how things work here, to some parts of the country they seem odd, such as the fact we have no county governments here in CT (and thus no sheriff's or county police departments), or how Newtown is made up of several smaller towns..

I love a conspiracy as much as the next person, it's why i'm here, I'm also an active debater (and Texan, forgive me, but your type of comments are why i'm hanging around this thread, they are insensitive, I hate to say that of a fellow fighter, but) however, there are some things, we hear about up here, that arent' being reported elsewhere, and are being talked about out and about in state that the news is not talking about. It's more about clarification than anything else..

Insensitive? Trying to shame me because I smell a rat? Okay, how would you like it if I say, the reason I'm here is posts like yours that I feel are disingenuous? I hate to say that about a Texan who lives in Connecticut, but I asked you to share the local reporting that sheds light on the case and instead of offering something of substance, you malign my character and allude to reports not appearing on national msm and clarify nothing.

So, thanks for nothing Madam.

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by hypattia

 

Don't link me to youtube vids either, that's not proof. Nope her actual fb page, or a news article. Surely she spoke to the media? If for no other reason than to correct the error.

Nope, I smell something fishy about her allegations and from what I can tell from her online presence, it seems to be more about promoting her handcraft business....sad, sad, sad..

Of course you wont believe me, but I saw the date she posted her daughter's photo, it was dated August 14, 2009. Had it been after, I would have similar misgivings and would have ignored it. I know it's somewhere and I will try to find the screenshot that shows the date she posted her child's photo.

Originally posted by Pilot

Originally posted by vkey08

Originally posted by Pilot
reply to post by vkey08

 

Vkey08,

A few questions, if you don't mind.
Since you are local, are you engaged in any independent investigation?
If you are, would you be willing to share any verifiable findings on this forum?Otherwise, what is your purpose here?

Unfortunately, I am awaiting the report that the State Police will eventually release, and I don't feel it is my place to "investigate" this situation, my state is trying to heal, and some of the "theories" that have been posted have been bordering on evil (ie: Calling parents paid actors, denying children died because noone saw their bodies)

Since I was down there that day, and continue to be in state (as I live here) I am trying to let people know how things work here, to some parts of the country they seem odd, such as the fact we have no county governments here in CT (and thus no sheriff's or county police departments), or how Newtown is made up of several smaller towns..

I love a conspiracy as much as the next person, it's why i'm here, I'm also an active debater (and Texan, forgive me, but your type of comments are why i'm hanging around this thread, they are insensitive, I hate to say that of a fellow fighter, but) however, there are some things, we hear about up here, that arent' being reported elsewhere, and are being talked about out and about in state that the news is not talking about. It's more about clarification than anything else..

Insensitive? Trying to shame me because I smell a rat? Okay, how would you like it if I say, the reason I'm here is posts like yours that I feel are disingenuous? I hate to say that about a Texan who lives in Connecticut, but I asked you to share the local reporting that sheds light on the case and instead of offering something of substance, you malign my character and allude to reports not appearing on national msm and clarify nothing.

So, thanks for nothing Madam.

Pilot: my comment was not directed at you ..I'm sorry that you thought it was, I thought it was clear it was not.. But rather at my fellow debater BigFatFurryTexan who wrote the following and should know better about calling a sensitive incident "doom porn" Sorry for that confusion..

Dunno. There was a shooting. A lot of folks died. Then the world kept spinning, and life kept happening for the rest of the world. Yet for some reason, this is a "hot topic". Go figure. Doom porners.

As far as sharing "verifiable" information, there is no such animal yet, until we get that report everything is speculation and conjecture, the only thing I can offer is a) what happened from my standpoint that day, and in the capacity I was working (which unfortunately also has it's restrictions, lest I give out too much of my own personal info) and b) the way our state handles such incidents and the procedures put into place.

If you had read some of my other posts you would have found that I do not support the One Shooter theory that the State Police put forward and that if that was the case, there would be no need for our schools to be on a continued semi-lockdown status, as the threat would have passed.

Originally posted by sconner755

Originally posted by shasta9600

Originally posted by Druid42

Since she is in the same state as the tragedy, I take her statements to be accurate and also hold more weight than any news report. It's honest, and with all the disinformation going around, it's refreshing to get a first person perspective.

Credibility is given when a member is consistent, has a solid posting record, and doesn't sway from their views.

Respecting someone's opinion and views is one thing. That's fine.

Personally, nothing will erase the fact that my B.S meter went off, for every single one of the people interviewed in this case. I don't believe them at all. So, with that said, anybody who lives in CT, can say whatever they want..and it could be great information. No offense, I appreciate the effort to help. However, it won't override the fact that those who were directly involved in this case are not believable...for me. False Flag.

Even after Springer's warning, you still can't help yourself?

You still insist on implicating everybody interviewed, including the parents of the kids who were killed?

So perhaps it is best to outline what EXACTLY one would find objectionable as regards the investigation of SH. Is it that posting personal info of anyone who may or may not have been involved is not acceptable OR that just questioning whether or not this could have been a drill is 'unacceptable'?

While to ME personally (at this point in time) I do NOT think it is likely that this was a drill with no caualties, I certainly cannot in all honesty rule it out at this point and I don't see how anyone in good concscience could if they maintained the least bit of objectivity and open mindedness. I've been looking for *facts* and they are very hard if not impossible to come by. The means and methods Imo certainly exist Imo. I would say rather than trying to ban anyone's honest opinion, why not simply show them how this absoutely COULD NOT have been a scripted drill and that would be impossible. I mean if the so called facts are really verfiable then this should be relatively easy, no need to resort to any name calling or demonization or banning or censoring of people who simply ask the 'wrong' questions while looking for answers.

reply to post by Pilot

Insensitive? Trying to shame me because I smell a rat?

Sure, I think some people believe that if they can't rationally and logically refute something then they resort to attempts to try and discourage even asking the inconvenient questions by claiming how dare you ask such a thing. We saw it with Waco. Kennedy. 9-11. I personally think the most insensitive thing ever, would be for the truth of the reasons for so many innocent deaths and so much destruction to remain buried and to ever allow the 'gov issued' story to not be looked at under the microscope in EVERY detail to find what really happened. That's paying TRUE respects Imho.