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The Dunblane school massacre occurred at Dunblane Primary School in the Scottish town of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. The gunman, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton (b. 10 May 1952), entered the school armed with four handguns, shooting and killing sixteen children and one adult before committing suicide. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre and the 2010 Cumbria shootings, it remains one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in the history of the United Kingdom.
Public debate subsequent to these events centred on gun-control laws, including media-driven public petitions calling for a ban on private ownership of handguns and an official enquiry, the Cullen Report. In response to this debate, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 and the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 were enacted, which effectively made private ownership of handguns illegal in the United Kingdom.
Originally posted by KingIcarus
So? Less people get shot with handguns now. We haven't had a school shooting either.
It does still happen, of course, but when it does it's news because it's rare.
Suits us just fine.
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by KingIcarus
So? Less people get shot with handguns now. We haven't had a school shooting either.
It does still happen, of course, but when it does it's news because it's rare.
Suits us just fine.
Not that rare. In the US there was two in 2012, one in 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, two in 2001, one in 1999, two in 1998. Before then it gets a little rarer, it seems like it's becoming more and more common, as are massacres not in a school.
The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre and the 1996 Dunblane massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.
Originally posted by KingIcarus
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by KingIcarus
So? Less people get shot with handguns now. We haven't had a school shooting either.
It does still happen, of course, but when it does it's news because it's rare.
Suits us just fine.
Not that rare. In the US there was two in 2012, one in 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, two in 2001, one in 1999, two in 1998. Before then it gets a little rarer, it seems like it's becoming more and more common, as are massacres not in a school.
I meant in the UK.
There hasn't been a school massacre since Dunblane, and there's only been one or two other incidents. Criminals still use guns, of course, but even that's relatively rare comparably - also it tends to be crim on crim. Your average UK law abiding citizen has a very low chance of being shot, or even stabbed which is a bit of a problem.
If you deal drugs though, your chances of both are much higher.
Originally posted by SpearMint
And it hasn't happened since.
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by SpearMint
And it hasn't happened since.
Right. But to my point it was used to outlaw hand guns.
Originally posted by Logarock
These new laws did not prevent this from happening years later.
The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre and the 1996 Dunblane massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.
Cumbria shootings
Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by SpearMint
Yes. The laws will stop nothing.
If americans passed such laws in the wake of events, one would still see killings 50 years after the fact.
Originally posted by KingIcarus
So? Less people get shot with handguns now. We haven't had a school shooting either.
It does still happen, of course, but when it does it's news because it's rare.
Suits us just fine.
Originally posted by Logarock
These new laws did not prevent this from happening years later.
The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre and the 1996 Dunblane massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.
Cumbria shootings
Originally posted by Logarock
A media driven debate.
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by KingIcarus
So? Less people get shot with handguns now. We haven't had a school shooting either.
It does still happen, of course, but when it does it's news because it's rare.
Suits us just fine.
So you were looking for rarity? We have was to many guns, millions in fact, in this culture to even consider that such laws would be effective in any measure.
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by SpearMint
Yes. The laws will stop nothing.
If americans passed such laws in the wake of events, one would still see killings 50 years after the fact.
How can you say it stopped nothing without going back in time and observing what would have happened without the ban? Since then there's only been one massacre in the UK since then, and that's any kind of massacre, not just schools. Most massacres in the US are done with a legally obtained gun, like the incident you're talking about. You can't claim that the ban didn't stop anything.edit on 17-12-2012 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by SpearMint
Yes. The laws will stop nothing.
If americans passed such laws in the wake of events, one would still see killings 50 years after the fact.
How can you say it stopped nothing without going back in time and observing what would have happened without the ban? Since then there's only been one massacre in the UK since then, and that's any kind of massacre, not just schools. Most massacres in the US are done with a legally obtained gun, like the incident you're talking about. You can't claim that the ban didn't stop anything.edit on 17-12-2012 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)
It didnt stop the 2010 killings. The fact that you may have low numbers has to do with other factors.