Originally posted by SpearMint

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by SpearMint

Originally posted by khimbar
Of course, there's also the theory the Dunblane shooting was a staged event, given the signatory of the shooters shotgun license. And how he'd been turned for one down before Lord Robertson intervened and signed it personally.

Yeah but isn't there a conspiracy theory related to every mass shooting? There wasn't a gun problem in the UK, it wouldn't have been staged.

Of course, it's always 'them'.

I'm not sure I understand 'There wasn't a gun problem in the UK, it wouldn't have been staged' though?

I mean what reason would they have to stage it?

Originally posted by SpearMint
They are made to kill people, that's their sole purpose.

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by Logarock


A media driven debate.

Well, it's not a Logarock-driven debate. You only added 4 words to the quotes.

I can't see the point in North Americans trying to make comparisons with British gun laws. We don't have a comparable gun society and never have done, gun restrictions or not.

We dont need to talk about the societies here although that is something one could look into. Just showing that here or there laws never stop the madman.

Originally posted by Logarock

Well we dont take away all cars for bad drivers.....and the death rate is much much higher.

Originally posted by skitzspiricy

The UK and US have both completely different cultures when it comes to gun laws and always likely will.

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by Logarock


A media driven debate.

Well, it's not a Logarock-driven debate. You only added 4 words to the quotes.

I can't see the point in North Americans trying to make comparisons with British gun laws. We don't have a comparable gun society and never have done, gun restrictions or not.

We dont need to talk about the societies here although that is something one could look into. Just showing that here or there laws never stop the madman.

Society is everything here. It's no good pointing to gun numbers and legislation if you ignore the very people that this applies to: society.

America needs to ask itself why Switzerland, who is similarly armed to the teeth, doesn't have the problems America has.

Originally posted by SpearMint

Originally posted by Logarock

Well we dont take away all cars for bad drivers.....and the death rate is much much higher.

See my reply on the last page as to why that's a stupid comparison.

edit on 17-12-2012 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
I remember singing this petition, it was popular in the media but the media at the time was responding to a public outcry, we the British public went to our politicians after these deaths and told them “get rid of the hand guns”. It worked and since then it hasn’t happened again, America could learn quite a lot form us Brits.

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
I remember singing this petition, it was popular in the media but the media at the time was responding to a public outcry, we the British public went to our politicians after these deaths and told them “get rid of the hand guns”. It worked and since then it hasn’t happened again, America could learn quite a lot form us Brits.

So you dont have mass killing but you still have gun killings.....which shows the the result was weak. What are the total figures for gun murder deaths in UK from the time these laws passed? A large number even by your measure when seen in total. Certainly suggests the emotions after the mass killing were running stronger that the facts of reality.