Within ONE Year: Tens of Millions Will Eagerly And Willingly PAY To Relinquish Their Privacy

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posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Oh please! kinect 2 is the all seeing eye for TPTB,that is ridiculous! what about mobile phones with gps and front facing cameras.as interesting as your original post is there are many flaws,what about people that aren't connected to Xbox live?also most people have already given away their privacy away freely.its called facebook!it would be an interesting read if you posted about that!




posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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I have been a gamer since the days of pong and Atari 2600. It is a bit of a time waster to say the least. Technology in game consoles,cell phones and computers has progressed pretty quickly. It is like trying to stop a snow ball going down hill and it is only going to get bigger and better. The old tech is ditched quickly too and you have to upgrade. If you dont want to upgrade it is made to break down at some point. Gaming is addictive and my original xbox 360 got the red ring of death so I had to buy a new one.
If you want to become a grandpa who cant work the next gen toaster you are kind of forced to keep up. Or you can go back to living with your VCR that flashes 12 o'clock. It is sad you cant stop this intel gathering stuff but I think there is a fine line with progress and privacy and that line is blurred sometimes. They would have to have a large data base to collect all this info. I guess there is no more sitting at the computer naked



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Don't you guys think that it's a fair game ?
We all wanna know what they are doing, despite what they say.
Well so do they
They are quite resourceful but not very intelligent, and they don't wield the web
causality is a biatch



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Damn Heff...I'm not even going to post on topic. That was the best written post I have ever read on
ATS, and I've read some good ones. .I'm not buttering your popcorn or kissing your keister--just being honest

...you should be getting paid 'by the word'.



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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The weird thing is this global network is a part of our evolution. Thus far we've been doing it at a biological level, but unless we can continue our global-neuron-building on that biological route technology seems to be where its at.

This is a good thing--a great thing. The only problem is we've got the wrong group of people manning the ship.

We're doing what we're programmed to do--we're building our brain.
It needs to be ours though, I would assume, for any sense of thriving.

I dunno though. My cells have never held mutiny against me...
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posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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I put black electrical tape over the camera on my laptop before I even powered it up.

My friends think I'm paranoid, but I know that in reality if a hacker can get in my computer they can turn my cam on.

Am I alone here?



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by AGWskeptic
I put black electrical tape over the camera on my laptop before I even powered it up.

My friends think I'm paranoid, but I know that in reality if a hacker can get in my computer they can turn my cam on.

Am I alone here?


I keep mine covered too, I really doubt anyone will ever or has ever tried hacking into my laptop but I don't use the camera so I figure it's not hurting anything by keeping it covered.

We also keep our kinect unhooked or covered up when it's not in use. I don't think we're doing anything of any interest to microsoft or the government to make them spy on us in our home but I don't like the idea of someone being able to possibly peek in on us. We're not doing anything illegal and have nothing to hide BUT I'm not fond of people seeing me half dressed.



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Gregorian
 


I deliberately use the term they because they are not a constant.
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...Quote pared for brevity's sake...
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I hope that answers your question.

~Heff


Thank you for not only a compelling thread, and one of your best yet--
but one of the best supplements I've read on ATS defining the Order.
A lot of people deny even the possibility of It's existence, something
that palpably evil in their unicorn corral called 'world'.
An almost lifelong gamer and pro programmer at the bare metal for
decades, I was introduced to the potental for the dark side to capitalize
on technology when the IBM System 360 and tape drives were hot stuff.
Unfortunately, even the technical schools have followed the business and
law colleges' model to redefine 'legitimate' as that behavior or its result that
isn't yet legislated as illegal or an injury, respectively.
That leaves a lot open to morality-- and when morality is mandated the
system works for only itself, or for us about as well as legislating trust.
Kind of sad, right now I'm too busy trying to find work and keep from getting
evicted from my apartment to play a level of Diablo II... much less sign up
for an optional hypothalamus chip. My old HP laptop is pre webcam; but
one has to wonder no more why your ISP or cable company (or both) will
just throw in your set-top box free for life.
Whoever is monitoring is irrelevant, agreed: as long as they CAN.



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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All of the information about spying on citizens is disgusting. I'm sure they already collect data on people and store it.

But to what purpose? With NDAA they don't need any evidence to snatch someone up and put them down at all. Just mention classified and terrorist, there you go, goodbye and now nobody cares that you're gone, because hey, they said he/she is a domestic terrorist.

Why bother making a case and collecting evidence when all you need is a suspicion that someone is thinking too hard about things, or whatever it is that they don't like about you, and couple that with unlimited "detention" (more likely termination) powers? These days they can just make s*** up about you after the fact of your disposal.

I mean, they don't need to prove anything to anyone, according to the laws we currently live under. It's enough to scare me senseless, and that's because I have a kid and I don't want to do anything to endanger her safety or well being. It is completely mind blowing that just based upon the things I read and post and say, I could be in deep doo doo. Reality is so unreal these days.

I hope none of this is real, but I'm also scared that it is. If so, it's foolish of me to continue even visiting sites like this, coward that I am. What an easy way to control someone without even lifting a finger against them.



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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i like your ideas though i dont like that you have the matrix series in the same sentance as 1984 or brave new world. but thats left up to the individual and i wont knit pick. ill admit i have not owned nor will i ever own and xbox. i outgrew that crap last game system i had was a game cube i think. big brother wont own me ever though he will more than likely gas me and throw me in a mass grave or crematorium lol. better to die on your feet right



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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Everytthing that comes out now has the ability to be tapped into through wifi. Wouldn't be surprised if my Fridge started telling my insurance (if I had any) that I ate 4 hot dogs today,


Indeed there is already a patent for your fridge to tell you when you are out of milk, but who knows how far that will go with telling people stuff.
They will have a hard time figuring out what's what in mine. I mean can they tell the difference between a half empty bottle of milk and that penicillin growing over on that old lemon?



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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i wonder if kinect 2 as it watches people could be used to teach an AI (maybe military AI) how to act and learn like a human?



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
Great thread dude

But I must admit it does look pretty cool and I can always turn the camera off and put a hanky over it when not using it.
I mean the only thing they will see is me playing a video game.
Just a quick question does it have to be plugged into the net to play it?


First, I guarantee that in order for the device to operate properly you will need to plug it into the internet. I am sure it can operate "offline" but it will probably bitch and complain all the time about not being able to check in with the mothership and throw errors intended to make you feel as if you are missing out on something important.

Secondly, it records sound. So, it isn't just the video, it can hear you.

Thirdly, you have to remember to cover it at all times.

And finally, couple this with your already tracked email, text messages, pictures of your car when you are out driving, tracking your physical location by your cell phone, and tracking your credit card purchases and you are pretty much tracked 100% of the time. It used to be that inside the home they would only know that you were home, but not what you did there (unless you were online). Now they have a camera and listening device inside the home.

Oh, and don't forget the black boxes that will now be in all cars.

Some of these articles below are only days old, others slightly older. As Heff said, this IS news.
black boxes in all cars
Cameras capture license plates
tracked email
text messages
Tracked credit card purchases
Government reads your email without warrant
Gov tracking your location by cell phone GPS without warrant



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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A lot to reply to, so I will try to just answer it all here.

Q:Am I just being hyperbolic, paranoid, and reactionary?
A: I hope so.

Q: One would be able to monitor activity on the WAN network and tell if there was an upstream.
A: We are inured to that already through systems filled with apps that constantly seek and find upgrades. All it will take is a single sentence in the 720 owners manual... One of the great features of the 720 is that it constantly seeks out content to offer based upon what it's learned from your gaming habits..... Upstream traffic explained.

Q: This won't effect me, so why care? I don't do anything wrong
A: Probably true for most. At least as we see the world today. But history tells us, plainly, that there are numerous precedents for the innocent of today to become the suspected of tomorrow. First they came for the ..... If nothing else, it's psychological warfare. Even if this is a gun with no bullets in the chamber - we'll still know it is a gun - and that it is pointed as us. It will alter our behavior. We'll be less likely to voice dissent, even in our own homes.

Q: It is heresy that I combined Orwell and the Wachowski brothers.
A: I somewhat agree. My original opening began with Orwell, Huxley, and Stephen King, honestly. But within a minute or two, I remembered that the movie, The Lawnmower Man, had nothing at all to do with the short story of the same name. So I had to adapt. I despise sourcing the Matrix movies - as I feel they are abused in this regard. But they did fit the bill here.

As is proven by quite a few posts in this thread. There are people who don't care if they are endangered or deceived. Just as long as it's a compelling and entertaining trap.

~Heff
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posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by louczar
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All of the information about spying on citizens is disgusting. I'm sure they already collect data on people and store it.

But to what purpose? With NDAA they don't need any evidence to snatch someone up and put them down at all.

Why bother making a case and collecting evidence when all you need is a suspicion that someone is thinking too hard about things, or whatever it is that they don't like about you, and couple that with unlimited "detention" (more likely termination) powers? These days they can just make s*** up about you after the fact of your disposal.


It isn't about proof, it is about detection. See, they need to find the people they need to lock up indefinitely without charges. They aren't building a court case. They are also using these tools in massive data mining operations to determine all sorts of information. If you have everyone's CC history you can mine that to figure out what area of the country is buying the most ammo, or where the most dried food goods are being purchased, where fuel is being stockpiled, etc... Then you concentrate on that area and mine to see WHO is buying the most ammo, food and fuel. Then they just disappear one day. Poof.


...credit card companies have a history of your purchases from the past and know geographically where those purchases have been made..a grocery store in the USA used the data it collected on it’s shoppersto find patterns in their shopping habits. They found that when men bought diapers on Thursdays and Saturdays, they also had a strong tendency to buy beer. The grocery store could have used this valuable information to increase their profits..

Source


Think of it as an electronic bug in your wallet.

Every time you make a purchase on a credit card or debit card, a record of that transaction is logged into a database of information collected by your credit card issuer.

In exchange for the convenience of using plastic, you also give up something some people hold dear -- privacy. Many privacy experts warn that consumers should be mindful of what they buy with plastic

source


Data mining is a computerized technology that uses complicated algorithms to find relationships and trends in large data bases, real or perceived, previously unknown to the [government] to promote decision support...The context for this study includes current and future industry applications and practices for research performed in data mining applications...


More from the study:


Artificial neural networks are non-linear predictive decision making model which uses existing data with a known outcome to train a model which can then be used to make predictions on data with unknown outcomes


And more:


Computerized point of sale software programs can track sales information from very general to very detailed, depending on the software package being utilized and the manner in which the program has been set up...Data mining automatically analyzes the information and can find relationships among the data...


Link to Data Mining Study by NC State University



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 01:53 PM
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I enjoy the OP's threads, but I am a little dismayed at how many flags and agreements are given to this very negative idea.

Has everyone given up? I'll die, all my kids, before ever giving the most criminal beings in the universe, any power over us. What they take all ready I denounce and any participation to survive and be in society, is like a shotgun marriage, forced, karma on them, for I personally reject it. They make no laws that are legal. There are none, only Virtues above. Slavery and all their psuedo laws are crimes.

I know who some of these guys are in soul, recognize them, they're not managing a school, but are criminals, renegades.

I feel very sorry for them. How many came in as dark programmers of the matrix, from the dark side, and how many were light, trying to make a difference and were so strongly programmed in those elite families? How many in those families seriously think they're doing the right thing, and have harmed so many and their souls in such ways that has to be undone. Workers of Love have to intervene, this life, other lives, and save them, throw down hands into those pits and get them out, because they're going to be so ashamed.

Give into them? Believe, with the power of your thought in a thoughtscape that the dark will win? Even if it seemed there was no way they couldn't I would never believe they will win.

I see vividly grass roots empowerment and equality and level 1 and 2 high tech wonderful worlds occurring, or a leap beyond that even, to even higher levels, eutopia, heavenly worlds.

Not ever giving them the power of my thought.

Thoughts are real things.

Become a frequency they can't overcome.

Think really powerful positive thoughts.

Sleeper in his big thread here on ats: www.abovetopsecret.com... and I believe on his own site as well, talks about what a soul is. Bigger than the universe, more powerful than thousands of supermen.

Start to believe in Goodness and see anything else as a distortion and insanity. And don't give them the time of day except to ask them, please dear Brother/Sister, I love you, come back home. You can't be happy following this path.
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posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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On another note.

You know those players club cards you get at casinos, they track you like a wild animal with a special collar.

A friend of mine worked for a casino in MN and they know that the average female gambler drives 52.6 miles to get there and spends an average of $78.55 per trip.

It baffles me as to why people think these things are good.

Take a few weeks off, they know how to get you back in front of a slot machine.



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Noobs.

I don't even keep mine covered. Instead, I paid for the downgrade to not have a webcam installed. Just like I paid for the downgrade to have windows xp instead of vista.

Did I mention my computer is getting old and needs replacement?


But when I do replace it, i will once again buy one without a webcam.



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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I get a lot of heat for still running XP and I just smile. If I want something with more bite? I reboot into Linux.


This approach is lost on a LOT of people.

~Heff



posted on Dec, 8 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
I enjoy the OP's threads, but I am a little dismayed at how many flags and agreements are given to this very negative idea.

Has everyone given up? I'll die, all my kids, before ever giving the most criminal beings in the universe, any power over us.


Good on you. I certainly won't. At least not willingly, knowingly or intentionally. I have absolutely no intent to die or give up the lives of my family. Am I a coward? Perhaps. I am glad there are better people out there than I who are willing to die for a cause. Do good things!





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