Within ONE Year: Tens of Millions Will Eagerly And Willingly PAY To Relinquish Their Privacy

reply to post by Hefficide

I WANT THAT... while reading this, my tongue hanging out of my mouth! Eventually Resistance will always be futile. Not that I really want to be that technology slave in the future. And there's always the power button build on those machines that says off.

But I have to see this pass because virtual reality didn't make it after all. People with epileptic problems can't even use this thing. But Isn't that there were many debates that children were influenced by video games to act aggressive. Like school shootings, mall shootings etc. I can imagine that this thing, when coming on the market would have a widely protest.That it finally lands in the trashcan?

S+F

I wish Huxley would get more recognition for "Island"

I absolutely LOVE THAT BOOK.

reply to post by 0bserver1


Actually I am conflicted because I can see myself wanting it as well. I'm not a big lover of Xbox products. I went through quite a number of original Xbox machines ( the DVD players died after awhile and would no longer read ), got a first day Xbox 360 that was one of the ones shipped with problems. It died a few days later. I bought another one to replace it and then spent over a year fighting with MIcrosoft about the first one. Finally they admitted that they'd released the first design with flaws and replaced it. Which was perfect because that was just about when my second one went RROD.

About a year later, the third went RROD and I was done.

The problem? I LOVE the "Elder Scrolls" games and playing them on the PC just isn't as fun. Thus, in a year or two, when the new "Elder Scrolls" game is released. I will likely find myself very tempted to buy a next-gen Xbox.

In my case I have an unfinished, vacant storage area in the basement. Nothing but beams and cinder blocks. If I did buy one, I'd put it there. Then, if the gov did tap into the feed? They'd get nothing, as the room is so isolated - and they might even just assume I was already in Gitmo by the decor.

~Heff

Yes the obvious potential for spying on everyone is there.

But you could always just unplug your system if you're worried about it looking at you when you're not playing...

reply to post by Retikx


That's a point. But how many people are really going to do that? Tens of millions of these units will be sold. the vast majority to people who have no idea about the potential for abuse - and many who wouldn't care anyway.

I've both been a teenager and raised a couple. Teens would not be apt to unplug anything - even if they were persistently asked or told to.

Also, Microsoft could design them so, if unplugged, they'd have to go through some woefully slow and annoying "reinstall" or "resynch" process that would use Pavlovian techniques to dissuade people from doing so.

~Heff

reply to post by Hefficide

if the gov did tap into the feed? They'd get nothing, as the room is so isolated - and they might even just assume I was already in Gitmo by the decor.

So maybe playing with tin foil hat would help?

I do see the danger, like the stories that go around about the batman shooting incident. I mean one could easily be brainwashed by this thing and who knows what could happen.. S&F for bringing this up man I hope your wrong

Originally posted by Hefficide

We have a population that is increasingly in need of distraction, diversion, and relief from the ever increasing stresses and strains of a crippled economy, the constant barrage of endlessly bad news and doom.....

Yeah, tell 'em to join ATS too! I hear this place is a great place to get distracted from the economy....min dyou it also has bad news but at least you know the "truth" about it

Originally posted by Skywatcher2011
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Yeah, tell 'em to join ATS too! I hear this place is a great place to get distracted from the economy....min dyou it also has bad news but at least you know the "truth" about it

That disputes my statement how exactly?

Still, I will dispute the point you sought to make. You're here. Right?

~Heff

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0o0o0 i like that pavlovian response bit. Well said.

Heres my hitch with it, IF the system was being used to spy on people in their homes one of the millions of tech genius 20 year olds who spend their entire young life tinkering with electronics and figuring out ways to screw with electronic systems would figure it out... Some one would be able to figure out that data is being sent. And if it was indeed uncovered by one of these techies or if it was leaked internally ( as i think it would be seeing how its Microsoft) it would spell the complete and total collapse of Microsoft.

Told my nearly teenage son to read the quoted parts of the op. As he was salivating at the mouth he asked if he could have one.


Told him by the time it comes out he'll be old enough to get a job and pay for it himself !!

Strict

reply to post by Retikx


There need not be any look of impropriety involved at all. In fact if cloud computing is part of the gaming system - which with Microsoft, it almost surely will be ( Xbox Live ), then constant communication and activity from a gaming machine - even when not being actively utilized is easily explained away with a statement like:

Even when you are sleeping, your Xbox 720 is not! It is constantly updating your Xbox live rankings, in real time, downloading software patches, updates, add-ons, and so much more. You'll never have to sit and wait for downloadable content again!.

Beyond that? The Government doesn't need for any signal to transmit anywhere suspicious. The fusion centers already do that for them.

Thus all would look proper and normal. No red flags.

~Heff

reply to post by Hefficide

I leave my TV on at night. One night I woke up and the screen was displaying that Cable had been temporarily interrupted during a software down load to the cable box on my TV. This went on for minutes...

So the little boxes on our TV are two way, huh? The government would like to full duplex our lives in the "privacy of our homes". Its a simple matter of wanting to know what you "think" about what you see on the TV screen while you are watching it. If I flip the bird at a news broadcaster, that is valuable information for the thought police.

On another note:

Enough is never enough. No amount of wealth or power can sate whatever drives these men... these little tin gods who occupy high offices and make sacrifices to their own egos for reasons I cannot even begin to understand. They expend vast fortunes and lifetimes, one after another, seeking to take away what little the masses have. I guess, for some, having is not enough. It must be the thought of making sure others do not have that drives them.

Some of that could be punishment oriented. Control freaks love to be the ones in charge of others. You ungrateful lout, don't you realize all that they have done for you?

I think though, that primarily they compare how much they have to others in their sect. They are constantly competing with the "other rich guy" who has more or less than them. Thats why there is never enough.

It's a debate over the expected level of privacy of the individual. I'm a socialist and a futurist, the point when technology ties us all together in an ever expanding network of interconnectivity seems more and more inevitable. The concepts of individualism and personal privacy dwindle more and more, not by some desire of a tyrannical party but by the willingness of the populace to interact and feel that their participation together means something.

Unfortunately, the populace doesn't really care how they're governed. One billion people have a voice on Facebook on how the company executes it's terms of service. In two days all one billion of them will lose that voice because they simply don't care enough to say so. Imagine another hundred years from now when the global government decides that the populace simply doesn't care enough to warrant allowing them to vote anymore. It's glaringly obvious this is the direction we're heading. A few thousand out of 1 billion voting on Facebook and 55% of the US voting for the leader of the free world. The people simply don't care enough to be bothered with expressing how they're governed unless they're forced to do so (Australia comes to mind as an example).

reply to post by Hefficide


Great post please also note that this tech isn't exclusive to X-BOX this is the going to be built into T.V sets also RT did a segment about 1 min long discussing this they also pointed to the PATENTS involving COPYRIGHT of TV and video also music ,they say this tech can stop your media playing if too many people enter room this can violate copyright so stops until they leave, it is tailored to also stop if no one is in the room during adds and can also have smart adds for anyone who it has interaction with.

PLAY TIME IS OVER
They have cunningly programmed us to allow this! nothing is just for the fun of it this thing is a home entrapment system not for playing with this so called TOY is going to do checks cross checks. This isn't a play thing this is a manipuplay thing. This illusion of freedom is about to burst kids no longer play outside in city's propaganda has taken care of that with the STREETS AIN'T SAFE ! rhetoric being chimed out all over our Prison TV'S , hell our homes are no more than little private prisons we hide away from the world and all the crap in their, with doors bolted shut, NO MORE open our doors and let them in all eyes on us and the kids and the crap mundane things we do. WE DON'T PLAY NO MORE we OBEY


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reply to post by links234


I believe that people do care... or at least would if they were aware of the truth and of the consequences involved in many of the issues.

Sadly, we've degraded into something of a trusting populace. This is partly because our time is, quite ingeniously stripped and robbed from us. Sure, old timers will say "When I was a kid, we worked on the farm from sunrise until sunset, seven days a week." There is some truth to that statement, but it is also misleading. My father grew up on a farm and went on to be an FAA supervisor. Before he died he made it quite clear to me that the farm life had been far more ideal than the drudgery of a demanding "real" job. On the farm the work was sporadic. Work a bit, relax or play a bit, work a bit more. There wasn't a terribly rigid structure. Now? Now we clock in and are expected to be productive for x number of hours, non-stop, with a few prescheduled breaks tossed in.

Also, most of us commute at least half an hour each way to work ( It's actually more than that I think, but I don' t have time, right now, to Google for the actual number ). Add that to all of the time it takes for us to drive our kids around to all of the activities they are involved in, the time it takes us to take care of our personal business, and ourselves? There is precious little time left.

This entire structure makes us very prone to limited information gathering opportunities. Thus, many folks turn on Brian Williams, listen to the first fifteen minutes of what he has to say each night - and consider themselves informed.

IMO the Internet, since the early to mid nineties, upset this balance - hence the onslaught to control it we now see.

But, generally speaking. I think that people would care if they really knew. If anything will ever happen to spark that group curiosity, forcing people to pay more attention? I cannot say. But I can hope.

~Heff

WE ARE TOY SOLDIERS

With the crossing of lines between reality I can foresee a time when soldiers will work from home and perform their battle field duties from the living room. The tech is their the question is is it being planned, a sinister mind may even conceive a more cunning and manipulative game for mass market, with the ability to allow the greatest and most able players to preform their tasks or objectives unwittingly allowing top players access to drones or other vehicles with the player using realistic google maps and all with photo realistic graphics to whoooa!. So impressive and realistic but virtual reality mixed with reality our greatest gamers will become drones this may sound far off but I bet for a few Billion the link up would be worth it.

My mind boggles, the uses of this technology are frightening indeed, my post may be extreme but it is an MICROSOFT X-BOX and Xrteme is its middle name.

reply to post by Hefficide


People want what they want. Only what they, as individuals, want. If you give people an option to not do something then they won't do it unless they truly want to do it. If you force people to express their opinions through voting....sure they'll govern themselves more effectively but you're taking away their 'freedom' to not participate.

So do you give people the freedom of non-participation? Or do you just remove them from the equation all together because they obviously don't care? When 65 million people decide the leader of 310 million people...that's a problem.

Originally posted by Retikx
reply to post by Hefficide

 

0o0o0 i like that pavlovian response bit. Well said.

Heres my hitch with it, IF the system was being used to spy on people in their homes one of the millions of tech genius 20 year olds who spend their entire young life tinkering with electronics and figuring out ways to screw with electronic systems would figure it out... Some one would be able to figure out that data is being sent. And if it was indeed uncovered by one of these techies or if it was leaked internally ( as i think it would be seeing how its Microsoft) it would spell the complete and total collapse of Microsoft.

Microsoft along with other corporations would lobby for laws saying this tech is standard for health and safety reasons also stating that this tech is of importance and is paramount in the shift from the dated digital system to the virtual super duper amazing 3D world we should all be living in blah blah blah people need this so much that we should also make the standard cheap and make it in china or some other sweat shop somewhere else.

Originally posted by louczar
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All of the information about spying on citizens is disgusting. I'm sure they already collect data on people and store it.

But to what purpose? With NDAA they don't need any evidence to snatch someone up and put them down at all. Just mention classified and terrorist, there you go, goodbye and now nobody cares that you're gone, because hey, they said he/she is a domestic terrorist.

Why bother making a case and collecting evidence when all you need is a suspicion that someone is thinking too hard about things, or whatever it is that they don't like about you, and couple that with unlimited "detention" (more likely termination) powers? These days they can just make s*** up about you after the fact of your disposal.

I mean, they don't need to prove anything to anyone, according to the laws we currently live under. It's enough to scare me senseless, and that's because I have a kid and I don't want to do anything to endanger her safety or well being. It is completely mind blowing that just based upon the things I read and post and say, I could be in deep doo doo. Reality is so unreal these days.

I hope none of this is real, but I'm also scared that it is. If so, it's foolish of me to continue even visiting sites like this, coward that I am. What an easy way to control someone without even lifting a finger against them.

Granted they could take the heavy hand but I think they prefer to manipulate the public into thinking everything is our idea and creating legal standards that will only support heavier tactics.

I always think about the movie the running man. When Jesse Ventura refused to fight Arnold. They just manipulated footage to make it seem like they fought and Arnold died. They also manipulated footage to incarcerate Arnold s character to begin with.

Once they see everything that is going on what stops them from editing and manipulating that evidence to make you appear as a criminal with full legal backing and they have public support?

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The social programming in the running man is so dated, yet so reveling, who knows it may even be happening to us all right now how would we know any better and who could be bothered to find out with all the cool games and stuff we got soon.