Nearly everyone on UK paedophile ring list is a Freemason says abuse victim

Slander is transient defamation. There is no permanent record.
Libel is defamation where there is a permanent record.
Just throwing that in cos im sick of people saying slander in this thread.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by blupblup
Where is the slander in this thread?

I haven't seen any?

Have names been mentioned and has anyone in the thread alleged that anyone has done something?


If they have, I've missed it.

Here and here.

Actualy what you see Here and here are two members describing the content on the link they provided with that snippet and we both posted a short comment with the related link below it.

Like I said earlier, if you are trying to say the original comment you had a problem with, and also these other coments are libel, then you are pretty much accusing most of the ATS member base of being guilty.

reply to post by JoshNorton




The first one (unless I'm mistaken) refers to someone who has died and therefore slander does not apply.
The second one makes no accusations at all, merely links to a list of suspected Paedophiles
The member who posted the list and named the names, did not say they were paedophiles.


Linking to lists and outside sources and discussing "allegations" does not equate to slander.

Certainly not in the UK anyway, where this case and the surrounding furore is happening.

I've been thinking about this.

In the UK we've had so many scandals and whistle blowers and things recently, It's almost like someone is poking, and poking and seeing how far the public can be pushed.

Think about it.

Iraq War Lies
Catholic Church Sex Abuse Scandal
We've had MPs expenses scandal
Phone Hacking Scandal
Hillsborough Scandal
Miners Strike Scandal
Libor Scandal & Banking Scandals in general
Huge Corporations paying no Corporation Taxes

And there are many, many more.

And now... people at the top and people in charge and law officials and Judges and Celebs... Are RAPING children out there, every single day.... OUR children.

And what do the public do?? EVER? Nothing.

We sit there and allow it.

We are being tested and we are simply failing.

Man...

:shk:

reply to post by lifttheveil

I would say his comments can be classified as defamation. Are we going to go after him for it? No, it would be a waste of time.

reply to post by blupblup

Then you need to open your eyes.

reply to post by eastendkid

Well, I'm at work right now and my speakers are gone so this will have to wait until I'm home this evening so I can watch this video.

Originally posted by SprocketUK
Just throwing that in cos im sick of people saying slander in this thread.

Slander.

Sorry lifttheveil sir, but I have to reply..

Firstly to Masons who don't know to whom their "corn and oil" dedication ceremonies are too....

Originally posted by KSigMason

reply to post by eastendkid

 

Freemasonrys is occult..

I think somebody needs to go back to school and re-learn how to write. Plus, how are we "occult" since that means "hidden" and we're pretty well in the open.

hiding secret Baal-sex-worship and it's relationship to ritual abuse. Both are occult / demonic in nature.

We don't deal with either Baal nor sex worship.

ASTEROTH (ASTARTE), QUEEN OF HEAVEN, MOTHER OF PERPETUAL SUCCOUR

ASTARTE: QUEEN OF HEAVEN. This demon first manifested itself to mankind as female and so is worshipped as a goddess.

Its major invasion of this planet took place two generations after Noah through the wife of Cush his grandson, through Ham. Genesis 10. This woman Semiramis, gave herself wholly to evil, so much that this demon used her as a channel through which to invade the earth. This spirit convinced her to kill her own husband and marry her son. Nimrod, who was a mighty and attractive man. Nimrod fell under the charms of his mother and contracted the incestuous contract. Whereupon the second power, Baal, possessed Nimrod. Between Semiramis and her son they gave birth to demonic children who played no small role in multiplying the avenues of demonic habitation of the earth.

...Through this incestuos couple Asteroth and Baal introduced nature religions and occultism into the ante-diluvian world.
Asteroth is in charge of all nature religions which are really a camouflage for paganism. All crop festivals are dedicated to her. Twins and firstborns are sacrificed to her so where she rules the people hate twins.. Because she is the earth goddess, sacrifices are offered to her before any project is carried out on the earth, whether farming, digging a grave, burning a bush, laying foundation for a house ...

And then to Masons having trouble seeing their "master" Baal...


BAAL - THE BULL GOD

The demon of Baal entered the world through Nimrod the child and husband of Semiramis. That infernal contract was concluded to 'improve' paganism. Together with Asteroth they introduced false religions into the world. It was Baal who introduced occult and mystic religions in an attempt to warp the spiritual craving of man. He was also the one who introduced alcoholism to man in order to get man to pollute and curse himself. Gen. 9:19-28. After getting the new generation of men trapped with alcohol, he began to break down the sexual horizons of mankind by getting Nimrod and his mother to marry. The pollutions of alcohol and sex abuse have trapped men in satanic grip ever since.

Alcohol, sex, pride and murder are the circle of Baal in which he locks his victims.

He is worshipped as BAAL of the Canaanites who misled the children of Israel on their way from Egypt. He is represented by the Bull. He is also BAAL the Sun god of Babylon and is represented by the Sun. All sun worshippers are his devotees.

Again I apologise.

But now some see their "master" a bit more clearly, allow me if you will to return to the subject of.. ritual abuse!


People will hopefully have seen the hidden sex worship involved in the worship of Baal (..briefly in the video at 7:10mins )


You will observe however, that Freemasonry has various degrees to it.. and for example is "seen outwardly" to be controlled by other groups such as the Insiders or Illuminati.

In other words.....


When folk get initiated into Masonry it's really being initiated into 'the power' BAAL. But sdadly, it becomes a natural progression to then be initiated into the worship of the 'the principalities' who themselves control the demon Baal.. eg Belial and others.. and then to Lucifer who autonomously controls the groups of principalities 'and' powers etc..

This is the so called "mastery of their craft" - and you can imagine how depraved the sex acts become as Ignorant Masons progress in their craft toward Lucifer - and the need for greater and greater secrecy and 'lies'.. more powerful demonic bonds, oaths, ties of fellowship etc.

The ignorant Mason probably joined at some lower degree, probably lured in by fortune seeking or power etc.. but now he finds himself serving Baal and the demonic hierachy and their various illicit networks...

Upwardly... represented by how outwardly Masonry(Baal) is controlled by Illuminism(Belial etc, Lucifer) etc..
Downwardly... represented by how outwardly Masonry(Baal) controls lesser demons..

Pornography, sex trafficing, ritual prostitution... world wide... all the secret serving of these Depraved forces of darkness.

Can anyone see the "demonic network" lurking behind the outward expression of it in the world yet ?

SSSSSHHHHHHH!!!




- you can imagine how depraved the sex and other acts (of the demons) become as the Mason progresses in upward in his "quests".. like Transyuggothian magic etc..

reply to post by blupblup


The only TV I watch is CBBC, and the occasional documentary. The world is a nicer place all round from that perspective, and I have to say, if TV is programming, I like the world that the BBC are trying to create for our kids. They care about each other, watch each others backs and support each other in changing the world for the better. But that is a whole other story for another time.

Yes our governments lie to us. And yes, clearly, there is collusion in all shapes and forms, and criminality that we don't want to think about, heinous and horrible crimes are committed against children in every corner of the world. I was reading yesterday about Joseph Kony, head of the Lord's Resistance Army of Uganda, and about the staggering number of children that are abducted each year by guerilla groups to serve as sex slaves, human shields and combatants. Now if you think that the current scandals hitting the UK are bad and that no one seemingly cares for those child victims, multiply that by thousands in terms of the indifference of those caught up in conflicts in Africa. No one even, ever, wants to discuss Africa. But yes, as you say, these are our children that are suffering and we should insist that any vulnerable person is receiving the care and protection that they deserve.

I do believe that people in high places are getting away with crimes, but they are getting away with them because they can afford expensive legal advice, not because they belong to a fraternity that has international tenticles reaching into every crevice in the world. We do live in a hostile world, but it will only get more hostile if we turn in on ourselves and distrust every stranger that crosses our paths for fear that they could be one of 'them'. We are bombarded with sensationalism, and we become desensitised. And most will be turning over to 'Enders or Corrie, 'cos it is all a bit too much to take in and digest, and when they are told who is responsible they will get up and beat their chests and bay for their blood. Anything rather than accept responsibility for the deterioration of the society around them.

We need governance because most people want to be told what to do. We need it because the vast majority of people only care about themselves and their corner of the world, and will take, take, take until there is nothing left. Children have suffered in care homes because no one has bothered to listen to them BUT over the years since these scandals occurred things have changed, and safe guards have been put in place, and slowly but surely the truth has and will come out. I agree that it is too little too late, and that those children deserve justice, and I hope that they receive it. But I also hope that all children, everywhere in the world receive the same protection as they do here in the UK. Because despite many things, we are an incredibly proactive nation and we do have a great deal to be proud of.

That said, I personally feel, that given the current social and economic climate, that we have to be very careful that we do not fall into the trap of believing that only those children in care are in danger. Never before, due to changes in recent years, have those children been so protected, and those caring for them so accountable, however, the truth remains, that the vast majority of sexual abuse occurs within the home, and is committed by someone that the child knows and trusts. Therefore, if we wish to end suffering, we need to take a more active role in our own communities, and to look and listen to what is going on around us, in the immediate vicinity.

I also personally feel that much of what is being presented in the media and the way it is being presented, is about viewing figures and making money, not about a clear and present danger. We are too easily distracted, and with such a highly emotive subject, the media, especially the commercial media, are pushing our buttons left right and centre, and we are in spasms in response. Yes, clearly, there is a culture of paedophilia that needs addressing, but as individuals we can only do so much, and for me, that means ensuring that all bodies are held accountable for their actions, and, inactions. We must leave the authorities to do their job to a certain extent, they need the space to do that.

I am as inflamed as the next person at the idea of children suffering, and of people getting away, sometimes literally, with murder but I have me and my own, my friends and my community to take care of, and know my limitations. And while I love unravelling a good conspiracy, I also know my limitations, and when to butt out. Which is what I will be doing from now on. Not everything or all things are connected, and following that train of thought will only increase my sense of powerlessness. And that helps no one.

Originally posted by KSigMason


reply to post by blupblup

 

Then you need to open your eyes.

To what? What are my eyes closed to?

reply to post by KilgoreTrout




Can't argue with what you say at all.

Spot on my friend.

reply to post by eastendkid

Well the video's maker doesn't constitute fact. You have yet to prove that Freemasonry has anything to do with "sex worship" or "Baal". Anyone with half a brain would see that.

Looking past that Hall wrote his most famous work decades before joining Freemasonry. Plus, it is only his opinion.

reply to post by eastendkid

Our dedication ceremonies are not to Asteroth nor Baal.

reply to post by eastendkid

Again, Baal is used in many different terms in the Bible, but regardless he is not the God or Master of Freemasonry. You're knowledge seems as lacking for Baal as it is with Freemasonry.

There's nothing wrong with alcohol, taken in moderation.

Religious nutters are all alike.

He is the ALL SEEING EYE of freemasonry

The All-Seeing Eye is a symbol that has been used throughout the ages to symbolically represent god. It is for each man to say what that god is. For me it is the Christian God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

the flame of the candle

There's plenty of "light" symbolism in the Bible, particularly candles. Here are a few examples:

Job 29:3 - When his candle shined upon my head, and when by his light I walked through darkness

Psalms 18:28 - For thou wilt light my candle: the LORD my God will enlighten my darkness.

Luke 11:36 - If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

Once a year members of all black brotherhoods and fraternity's sacrifice a human being to the planets. This takes place either in early January, mid-June or December.

Originally posted by paraphi
I think there is a danger that "the list" will prejudice any police action. Plus, anyone with a grudge looking to destroy a reputation will now be trying to falsely implicate others. These "lists" are dangerous as they lead to trial by Twitter and that's not justice for anyone.

Regards

New to the thread but this post sums things up nicely. Calm, rational, cool-headed justice seems such a quaint concept on the Internet though.

Fitz

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I love that all we have to go on is hearsay, and immediately everyone wants to persecute this one group because, "I hear they worship Satan!"

You're all pathetic. You don't have any proof, all you have is some random rumor, but once again you're willing to judge the innocent. Shame on you. Shame on all of you.

Seconded. However, ATS is a conspiracy theory forum and as such the wilder and woolier the accusation, the more likely it'll be given credence. The greater the number of responses posted pointing out how unlikely a given assertion is, the greater the belief that the assertion must be true

Thus is life in the rabbit hole.

Fitz

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Shame on all of you.

That's not fair, there are a few of us here who still believe in due process and have said as much...

How quaint. You'll never last in the land of pitchforks and mob rule though. Patience and a search for fact can't hold a candle to sexy wild-eyed spurious accusations

Fitz

Originally posted by Kluute

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by lifttheveil

 

Please list names and lodge numbers.

Just saying they are Freemasons doesn't quite cut it.

Like Saville, He was not a Freemason.

Thanks in advance.

How do you know for sure he wasnt?

I wasn't aware that the Napoleonic Code had been adopted worldwide requiring positive disproof. Or is that only on the Internet when backing up an assertion requires inconvenient research. In real life, it falls to accusers to prove their case with facts not slippery, unsubstantiated innuendo.

HTH
Fitz

Originally posted by KSigMason
The defamatory comments on this thread...and forum in general.

Well I haven't read every single post on the thread but it seems a few of you on the thread are just having an aggressive back and forth.... with BOTH Masons and non Masons alike at each other.

And for the general forum issue...

As I said, I've NEVER posted in a Masonic thread before this one/this incident and never had an interest or suspicion at all really.... never even read these threads, so have no idea what "usually" takes place.

Couldn't care less about it all.

But as I keep saying, the comments made be a Councillor and a Former Police Chief, both saying Masons need to be investigated, certainly piqued my interest.

And even if 1000 Masons all came in and said "nothing to see here" it still would not make me stop reading about it looking into it

Cheers

Originally posted by blupblup
But as I keep saying, the comments made be a Councillor and a Former Police Chief, both saying Masons need to be investigated, certainly piqued my interest.

Could they not be plagued by prejudice and/or bias? Again, an accusation is not always proof of guilt.

Originally posted by KSigMason

Originally posted by blupblup
But as I keep saying, the comments made be a Councillor and a Former Police Chief, both saying Masons need to be investigated, certainly piqued my interest.

Could they not be plagued by prejudice and/or bias? Again, an accusation is not always proof of guilt.

Either you haven't even watched the video or your clutching at straws to defend your craft.

These aren't internet conspiracy theorists, they are both of good charecter.

The Councilor, Keith Gregory, can be found here:

www.wrexham.gov.uk...

Here is what he is not...

He is not a conspiracy theorist.

Hi is not a Mason hater or has any history of such.

He is not a faceless internet dweller.

He is not a jobless, homless, or any of those other people you might consider lowly and not worth listening to.

He is someone who has been investigating child abuse, and he has been interviewing VICTIMS

And here is what he IS....

He is Councillor for Smithfield

He is a hard working man

He is a man with many responsibilies

He is an abuse victim

He is against child abuse and trying to bring peasophiles to justice.

Now lets move on to The Former Police Chief, in fact why don't you? I mean, instead of slinging mud at these two individuals that you know nothing about, in fact, why are you slandering their good names? You say they may be plagued by prejudice and/or bias? So without doing your homework and without any basis you've accused them both of being prejudice and bias, and in turn I assume they are making things up because of their bias and prejudice? Wow, that's defamation and slander right there by your standards

Many of these interviewed abuse victims have reported the same names, those same names are local Masons, those are the facts and that is why Masons have been mentioned by them both, don't hide from the facts or try to difuse them, these are two solid professional people, and you may not like that a large number of Masons were involved in that as your a Mason yourself but that is what is being reported so deal with it. If you haven't commited any abuse as a mason yourself and like everyone else abhors it, then you should not cover up for brothers who are guilty of such a thing, think about that