Nearly everyone on UK paedophile ring list is a Freemason says abuse victim

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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
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Not to deflect from your point...but I haven't seen anyone, anywhere make mention of the fact that Saville's pall bearers were all Royal Marines....where do they fit into all this?

I saw a video linked on one of these threads of a gentleman who claimed that when he was in a care home in Wrexham he was taken to London for weekends in the home's minibus, with other lads, and that they were taken to 'parties' where men would get them drunk and abuse them...he also mentions being taken to a barracks???





Indeed... he has lots of very odd connections doesn't he?

Wiki says


In the 1970s he was awarded an honorary green beret by the Royal Marines for completing the Royal Marine Commando speed march, 30 miles (48 km) across Dartmoor carrying 30 pounds (14 kg) of kit.


Although can't see why they would have such a presence at his funeral just because of that?

And yes... there are "links" and "stories" of people being brought in via MOD bases and aircraft to attend parties etc etc.

I'm not sure of the actual link Between Savile other than that.

Savile was also great pals with royalty.

A Serial Killer.

The Web of Savile spreads so far
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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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I've never seen those collars attached to the Great Priories of the Order of Knights Templar (officially known as "The United, Religious, Military and Masonic Orders of the Temple and of St. John of Jerusalem, Palestine, Rhodes, and Malta in England and Wales and Provinces overseas")



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by KSigMason
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I've never seen those collars attached to the Great Priories of the Order of Knights Templar (officially known as "The United, Religious, Military and Masonic Orders of the Temple and of St. John of Jerusalem, Palestine, Rhodes, and Malta in England and Wales and Provinces overseas")



So you're not sure/ It's not Masonic? and the description of whoever identifies it is wrong?

OK cheers




posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Those were your words.


And, I made no other claims beyond that...so really what is your point?

A rhetorical question...as I realise you don't have one.

I'm not the one being childish here dear. I am addressing the topic, you're merely splitting hairs.

Again, when you have something constructive to add...

...why don't we have a yawning emoticon for instances like you?



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
And, I made no other claims beyond that...so really what is your point?


The point was that your claim was incorrect which you obviously have a hard time coming to grips with by evidence of your petulant remarks.


I am addressing the topic, you're merely splitting hairs.


Really? Since when is pointing out an incorrect assumption or statement 'splitting hairs'?



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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I don't think that we can be entirely sure that it isn't Masonic without the input of a member of UGLE...but even then, Saville appears to have fooled numerous people and groups, so their presence at his funeral would not imply their guilt.

Personally, and call me naive if you please, I don't think that someone who truly adheres to the guidelines of an accreditied body of Freemasonry would ever cover for someone that they knew had committed crimes such as these.

www.ugle.org.uk...



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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Again, what was incorrect about it? I stated that I was paraphrasing, and that the gist was 'Let's start a new form of Freemasonry'...NOT...let's make an exact copy of all that Freemasonry is and does. AGAIN...when you have something constructive to add...please FFS do.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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I'm very sure that those are not Masonic collars. Wrong collars, incorrect color, and not the correct jewels/symbols.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Again, what was incorrect about it?


The entirety of the comment. Masonry is not structured, as you admitted, like MI6 because Masonry, unlike MI6, is a direct democracy.


I stated that I was paraphrasing and that the gist was 'Let's start a new form of Freemasonry'...


That is the only portion paraphrased as it was in quotations. The second paragraph is obviously your opinion and your's alone.


...please FFS do.


You really do have a bad temper. Have you ever thought of seeking some help for it?


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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:01 PM
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Well for sure, and I'm not taking the other members word for it, merely thanking him for his input.
I'm still of the opinion that there is a Masonic link in all this.

I'm not saying that Masons are an evil, nefarious groups who are hell-bent on committing evil acts.
I said exactly that in my very first post on this topic, that I don't buy into any Masonic conspiracy really.

But there is certainly something other than paedophilia linking all these people and Savile together.
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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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Still waiting for that constructive comment...


My temper is just fine....but perhaps a therapist is in order over your anal-rentiveness...



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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On the other thread... the one started by Detachedindividual...I link to an article that mentions a group called the Brotherhood of Shadows...and that is really the point, what we are perhaps looking at is an organised membership based upon initiation...but not the Freemasons, just based upon the same principles of an oath of secrecy.

I remember a member on here once saying in a thread, it was either Masonic Light or Trinity Man I think, that the secrecy aspect of Freemasonry was not the secret itself, but the ability to keep a secret. Now if we apply that principle to criminalty, as exampled by the P2 where it worked successfully for many years, and then take that basis of criminality to the most heinous of crimes possible, those against children. How much tighter must that need for secrecy be?

So yes, I think that we are looking at a fraternity, but no I don't believe that that fraternity is Freemasonry. Of course that does not preclude the possibility that some Freemasons have paedophiles, but the nature and guidelines of Freemasonry would have to be severely corrupted, as in the case of P2, for that to become widespread. And that I doubt.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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Indeed my friend.
There is some covert, organised cover up happening.

And yes, I don't know about Masons either.

As I said, there is something tying it all together, just what....
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posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
So yes, I think that we are looking at a fraternity, but no I don't believe that that fraternity is Freemasonry. Of course that does not preclude the possibility that some Freemasons have paedophiles, but the nature and guidelines of Freemasonry would have to be severely corrupted, as in the case of P2, for that to become widespread. And that I doubt.
And I think it's fair to say the success(?) of P2 had more to do with its Mafia roots than its Masonic cover.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by blupblup
As I said, there is something tying it all together, just what....


Besides the acts themselves...and the inherent human need to 'share' experience?

I was thinking about it today...and I also was considering the aspect that the brutalised as often as not become brutalisers themselves. Those that are abused become abusers and procurers themselves...and the cycle just keeps on going around...if no one is there to intervene and break that cycle. Also, another factor that seems to be overlooked, is that the supplying of child pornography is highly lucrative. For some, that is incentive enough



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout

Besides the acts themselves...and the inherent human need to 'share' experience?



Actually, yes I think so.
I don't know what, or where it will lead or who or why... but there is something tying it together.




I was thinking about it today...and I also was considering the aspect that the brutalised as often as not become brutalisers themselves. Those that are abused become abusers and procurers themselves...and the cycle just keeps on going around...if no one is there to intervene and break that cycle. Also, another factor that seems to be overlooked, is that the supplying of child pornography is highly lucrative. For some, that is incentive enough




Absolutely... and those who distribute this material and those who view it are usually always arrested and convicted... however those making it, procuring children and so on, keep on going.
You can only get so far up the chain and if you get near Politicians, Royalty and Police, Judges etc... the ranks close and the info dries up... evidence is destroyed, people die, disappear, you get D-Notices.... all kinds of weirdness.

It's happened in all of the major cases.

Belgium
Hollie Grieg
Dunblane
Bryn Estyn
Kincora
Franklin Cover Up
Haute De La Garenne

The list goes on... care workers and others may taker the rap, but you never get anywhere near the top.



posted on Nov, 12 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Still waiting for that constructive comment...


It was already as MI6 is not structured similar to Masonry as you posited.


My temper is just fine....


Yes, name calling and vulgarity couched in the form of abbreviations denote a even temperment.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Yes, name calling and vulgarity couched in the form of abbreviations denote a even temperment.


To be honest AugustusMasonicus I would say the conduct of Masons in this thread has been, shall we say, less than an even temperment? I understand that your duty as Masons is to protect the craft and your brothers but do you have to be so aggressive and rude while you do it?

Lets just take the first 2 pages of this thread for an example?

Here's the first comment from a Moderator, strange as the poster didn't post any he was only discussing what was posted which is the point of ATS...


Originally posted by Skyfloating
When you wage slanderous lies about people, thus hurting them, their families and their business, you could at least back it up with some detail, reference or a shred of evidence. Or are you one of those faceless internet-posters who cowardly hides behind a moniker to spew hate and ill-will at every opportunity?

The Masonic moderator then goes on to say we are criminals and commiting a criminal offence just by discussing it


Originally posted by Skyfloating
You dont think its harsh to slander perfectly normal family men who have been of enormous positive service to society as child-rapists and woman-haters, but you think that its me who is harsh? Wow. Talk about far, far gone.

Slander without a hint of evidence is a criminal offence. It ruins lives and reputations just so some cold egomaniac on the internet can have some fun.

Wow, you just branded most of ATS membership as criminals.

Freemason Network Dude then pops in as he does with most Masonic threads, I thought this one was funny...

Originally posted by network dude
I looked it up. Something a few of these posters here might want to try before flapping their jaws.

Which is an innacurate dig at people, the truth is they are tapping their keyboards not flaping their jaws


Freemason Network Dude chirps in again with a completely untrue statement...

Originally posted by network dude
I wonder why that is? Hmm. Let's see, some faceless internet dweller decided to make up lies about the group you belong to, offers no proof or evidence to back it up, and then gets multiple other faceless internet dwellers to jump on the bandwagon.

Not only is that statement false but it is disrespectful. Unlike Mason Network Dude who actually is a faceless internet dweller that always jumps on the bandwagon with his masonic 'brothers' the people actually making the allegations are a councilor who is an abuse victim and the ex chief constable of Wales Police, both in person at the interview, the very opposite of faceless wouldn't you say?

Freemason Network Dude chirps in again...

Originally posted by network dude
If I made a thread about how people who have a camel in their avitar are actually into bestiality and primarily with camels, don't you think you might step up and try to explain how silly that aligation is? Unless............

Your a really nice bunch of guys aren't you? Your Masonic light and goodnes really shines through in your posts... NOT!

Meh, that's just comments from Page 1 and 2, but it highlights the mood, attitude and approach of the 'ATS Masonic Collective'



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 05:19 AM
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So you want to start a thread about each of us, or are you happy to derail your own thread by whining about how mean we are when backed into a corner?

Try it with a badger.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 05:31 AM
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No I certainly don't want to start a thread on any of you, like you said, we are all just some faceless internet dwellers, what I want is to look at and investigate what I posted in the OP without the usual band of brothers from Masonry ganging up as always to derail the thread with how wonderful thei secret order of masonry is.

All I did in my last post was answer an accusation that was made by your brother of the cloth that non masons in this thread were not showing an even temperment, I just wanted to show that the conduct and attitude of masons, including yours, has not been of even or good temperment either. When investigating masonry and reading or posting in masonic threads it does make the normal joe bloggs off the street feel a little strangled and tight for air with the massive masonic presence on here that always join together to jump in any thread about masonry and defend it regardless of what is said, I find the massive masonic membership on this conspiracy site both interesting and a little unsettling, and unbalancing to the threads. Non ATS members don't see avatars and user details, so what they think they are reading is a balanced thread about masonry is actually the same old members of the craft grouping together in military fashion to attack anyone that questions their secretive sect. This also is disturbing.



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