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Originally posted by Sek82
reply to post by tw0330
Alright, keep in mind I got a separate receipt, not indicating votes chosen, but the machine itself had a printer that printed the results while still shielded within the machine... I'm assuming it's that paper which gets counted...
...by another machine, more than likely.
Originally posted by BigfootNZ
Nice, its funny from a non american perspective seeing you guys talk about not voting since you dont like the two primary parties, or saying your votes dont count if you go third.
I always assumed everyone voted like the OP, naive i guess to think that, although I dont mean on the day choosing of a candidate but voting for those that sit closest to their idea of a good system and beliefs.
Every vote counts or at least it should (ahck dont get me started on your stupid swing states and electoral college crap ) so saying your vote for a third party feels like a waste is confusing to some one like myself, every vote counts and who knows your vote might be the one that makes that difference. If more people voted like the OP for a party that fitted them better (rather than one of the two big ones they think are the only ones that can win) then you lot might have a more varied election landscape like the rest of the western world. Maybe its because your population is so large, that everyone thinks meh im one in a few hundred million my vote means nothing... 1 in a 100 million is still 1 in a 100 million, if you get 10% of that lot thinking the same way heck even 2%, thats still a few million votes that could have impacted a result for change.
And do you guys really have limited voting choices in some areas?.. thats mind boggling. In my country we might have limited choices for local candidates but you can cast a party vote for any party thats on the ballot and every party is on the ballot every where in the country. The thought that you couldnt vote Green, Constitutional(?), Justice or Libertarian since you lived in some state that didnt have that on the ballot reeks of wrong so so badly. Guess its the issue with voting for a president rather than a party.
Guess its the American system, but really you guys need to ditch the historical ra ra and form a better more balanced election system.
Maybe more people this time around are thinking like the OP, and that will make some real change for the better. Heres hoping.
edit:- hmm came out a little incoherent sorryedit on 6-11-2012 by BigfootNZ because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DarkKnight21
reply to post by tw0330
A last minute vote for Gary Johnson eh? Me too. And I'm in Texas, a big red state. Kinda feels like ya just threw away your vote right?
Well... good for you. In my eyes its a vote against this two-party system craziness. This is one of the most polarized elections in American history.
Originally posted by SpaDe_
I also voted, and while it was mostly a painless 20 minutes out of my day, I did have some trouble feeding my ballot into the machine as did a few others that were in front of me. Hopefully they all get tabulated, and not just counted as a voter that inserted a ballot.
IN SUMMARY: The purpose of Section 1 & 2 of the 14th Amendment does these things: 1) Section 1 makes all people in the United States (the several states) citizens of the United States, i.e. federal citizens (see federal citizenship). 2) Section 2 sets up a legal fiction that all persons (or inhabitants) are represented by Congress. This includes all people living in the several states, including ex-slaves. 3) Section 2 enfranchises citizens of the United States, but not the ex-slaves; on its face this is done with the 15th Amendment. 4) Section 2 gets “state citizens” to participate in rebellion which in turn gives consent to a new political system that is installed by Congress (the United States). 5) Section 2 disenfranchises state citizens of the several States. 6) Section 2 ultimately sets forth that only the ones represented in this new government are the ones voting and committing crimes (under the presumption that the ones committing crimes are U.S. citizens). The current governmental system is unlawful and a fraud. The only way it has authority is through the legal operations of the usurpers’ Fourteenth Amendment. The government can only represent people that support it by voting; and the de facto-insurgent states can only regulate ITS citizens by private statutory law. These people are in rebellion against the republican system that was in place prior to the War Between the States. Accordingly, this is why the de facto Supreme Court says things like this: “In this country, the law in effect in all but a few States until mid-l9th century was the pre-existing English common law... It was not until after the War Between the States that legislation began generally to replace the common law.” Roe v. Wade, 410 US 113
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
You're kidding? You are literally one of the undecided on election day itself? Honestly?? You're not just saying that as an ATS statement...are ya? I didn't think mythical beats like that existed. I kinda imagined the undecided Tuesday voter to be like the Unicorn.
Good for you though. You voted your true conscience by what you say and no one..no one.can fault you for that. Whoever got your support. Voting one's own beliefs is all this is about after all the B.S.. Right? S/F!
Originally posted by spinalremain
I'm a Pisces and even I cannot understand how it's even possible to be undecided until you walk into the poll.
I'm not saying you're wrong or crazy or anything like that. I just don't understand how its possible.
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