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Originally posted by 200Plus
reply to post by Grimpachi
+EDIT+ why bring Romney's military record into it? Obama didn't serve either. Who in their right mind "wants" to go to war? Even if Powell was a soldier, this couldn't really play a part in the decision to back President Obama++edit on 25-10-2012 by 200Plus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by KeliOnyx
Originally posted by 200Plus
reply to post by Grimpachi
+EDIT+ why bring Romney's military record into it? Obama didn't serve either. Who in their right mind "wants" to go to war? Even if Powell was a soldier, this couldn't really play a part in the decision to back President Obama++edit on 25-10-2012 by 200Plus because: (no reason given)
Not serving and then becoming President is one thing. And you are correct no one should want to go to war. A problem with Romney is not that it wasn't just that he hid behind his Mormonism to get out of it, but while doing so protested not against the war but for it. So he was in favor of sending you and yours to die, while he the son of privilege vacationed on the beaches of France.edit on 25-10-2012 by KeliOnyx because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by KeliOnyx
Everyone IS aware of the fact that Romney's draft card never came up and he never was called to serve, right?
It's a fair debate as to whether his choice of time and place for missionary work the LDS strongly encourages men at his age then to do was to avoid service. We can't know though because the war wasn't drafting any longer when his time would have come. Unlike others...Clinton for example...Who absolutely DID choose other avenues when he would have been headed to S.E. Asia (or up for fair picking anyway), Romney just wasn't the right age.
I'd also note Clinton turned out to be one of the better Presidents if one judges by pure numbers in what was accomplished and how the health of the nation fared under his administration. So...it really went to prove the status of a man's service during the Vietnam period doesn't define his potential for leadership anyway.
Funny...how the whole Vietnam thing is supposed to be off limits or just unfair to mention when it hurts someone...but fair to mischaracterizeoutright when it can be used to attack the other guy.
Romney used his student deferment at that time to avoid military service. He then left Stanford for two years of Mormon missionary work in France, for which he received another draft deferment.
When Romney was back in the states – after his mission work – and had transferred to Brigham Young University, the draft was changed to a lottery. Romney received a high enough number that he permanently escaped being in the military, even though he supported the Vietnam War and the draft.
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by 200Plus
If referring to a black white thing then I should tell you I am white. This is about character, policy, and integrity for me.
What progress? Can you point to specific numbers and/or economic statistics based on what was on the table and what was delivered?
Originally posted by muse7
edit on 10/25/2012 by muse7 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by 200Plus
Personally I think there should be a prerequisite for anyone holding office to have at least served one tour in the military but that is just my opinion.
Originally posted by KeliOnyx
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by 200Plus
Personally I think there should be a prerequisite for anyone holding office to have at least served one tour in the military but that is just my opinion.
So you don't think these guys should have been allowed to be President?
John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams.
Then you say
I didn’t expect Powell to endorse Obama again but his reasoning is sound.
we are in far better shape than 4 years ago. Just because some neocons refuse to believe it does not mean its not true.
"There's some very, very strong neo-conservative views that are presented by the governor that I have some trouble with," Powell said.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion.
are fighting for socialism and communism.
Originally posted by Tw0Sides
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
You have your opinion of Powell.
Me, he was the only one of Bush's circle I had any respect for.
He paid the Ultimate price for the Neocon Repubs, as his Statement at the UN gave the push for the Iraq War Legitimacy, his career ended with that Speech.
(Report Dated June, 2003)
Fresh evidence emerged last night that Colin Powell, the US secretary of state, was so disturbed about questionable American intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction that he assembled a secret team to review the information he was given before he made a crucial speech to the UN security council on February 5.
Source
During a series of meetings at CIA headquarters last February, initiated by Mr Powell, the secretary of state was reported to have reviewed the intelligence reports on Saddam, his arsenal of chemical and nuclear weapons, and his possible links with al-Qaida. The ostensible purpose of the exercise, carried out over four days, was to decide which should be included in his address.