Banning the word 'fatty' is an insidious attempt at politically correct thought control

Whatever happened to common decency?

Calling someone fat is the epitome of 'no class'.

Making laws against such is facsist, but those that deem it necessary to point the (fat) fact out are no less than ignormases.

reply to post by Goldcurrent


I'm sorry but I find that calling an overweight person thin would be more insulting. You know sarcasm?

Edit: Common decency is telling the truth, not lying just to get a good image or social acceptance. Decency - Modesty and propriety. So perhaps the best we can do is call them overweight! which again will become illegal very soon.

reply to post by Goldcurrent


"Whatever happened to common decency?

The obese individuals consumed it. LoL

Originally posted by UziLiberman

totally 1984ish

I was born in 1987, never lived to witness this 1984(ish) witchcraft that people talk of. I'v heard this terminology used several times in the past 2 days and quite frankly, I feel left out on something that is obviously deemed an importance..

Please, enlighten one If not, this is so 1984

Originally posted by Kandinsky

Yeah, God forbid that anyone would want kids to worry less about their body image.

We should march on London and hang these people immediately!

Why shouldn't kids care about their body?

It is perfectly natural for girls to want to be slim and attractive and for boys to want to be strong and athletic.

You know, it seems to be a growing trend these days to put down a person who is obese, fat or a little chubby (thick, i think the Americans call it). Like they are lesser people. I've noticed it a lot on here too. But then again, there is so much hate on here sometimes directed at people with varying degrees of differences and opinions that i sometimes feel my head might explode.

Although i personally believe that the majority can lose weight with the proper care and advice. I still think calling overweight people nasty names and pointing out their flaws is pretty spiteful and uncalled for, especially from complete strangers. Regardless of whether it is true or not.
Sometimes it's not true. I've lost count of the amount of times that i've witnessed friends who have been called nasty names for carrying very small amounts of extra weight, usually because they don't fit into the stereotypical "Thin" look on the television or in magazines.

People who are incredibly overweight are already acutely aware of what their issues are, but unfortunately find themselves stuck in a cycle they can't break very easilly.
It's very hard to change certain habits you have grown accustomed to over the years and many do actually try very hard over and over again, because they don't want to be the person everyone makes fun of because of their differences.

Also there is a very large psychological aspect to a lot of people who are incredibly overweight. Often they turn to food as comfort so in a lot of cases, pointing out these peoples flaws in a very nasty manner can be incredibly counterproductive.
You wouldn't like it if someone came up to you and started calling you nasty names because of your all your flaws, habits and lifestyle choices, so why do it to other people. Just because it may be true, doesn't make it right to be nasty about it.

Now with all that said. In most circumstances i don't feel that it should be labelled as a hate crime and if it is turned into one it would be quite concerning.
There are instances when it could be classed as such. i.e. Someone being incredibly bullied constantly in the workplace, at school etc becuase of their weight and i think these situations should be dealt with accordingly. But when it comes to trying to enforce this across the board, where would the line be drawn?

Originally posted by Goldcurrent
Whatever happened to common decency?

Calling someone fat is the epitome of 'no class'.

Making laws against such is facsist, but those that deem it necessary to point the (fat) fact out are no less than ignormases.

Not for nothing, but -- If you just sit back and watch someone with a problem and don't say anything about it you're of less class than that of the person who points out what's wrong.

If you want to be fat by choice, it's your choice, but don't expect people to not point out the inconvenience of you being fat.

Ever sat on an airplane with a fat person next to you? Yeah, they are in YOUR SEAT. If you got the window seat, you ain't getting up until you arrive because there is no way out.

Being FAT is inconvenient. This is why Airports charge fat people now for 2 seats. Oh, but -- people like you would call that discrimination, instead of what it really is, consideration for the person that otherwise would have bought that seat.

There is a difference in being overweight and FAT, FAT is obese, and last I checked, Obese was NEVER cool with anybody but other OBESE people. And why is that? Because they find comfort in other obese people, because they are both lazy and don't give a damn about what's going on with their body.

I've met people who said "My doc said I had a thyroid problem" and I've said to them very clearly, no you don't, and then I've taken them under my wing as a personal trainer of sorts, and sure enough -- they got skinny, what do you know.

It's all about the mindset. I believe very RARELY there can be people who have medical conditions that make them large, just like very rarely people grow to 10 feet tall. The average case of obesity is caused by junk food and lack of will power and the comfort of addiction.

It's no different than a smoker who can't quit, or a meth addict who can't shake it. They sit there and say, I don't want to do this, but find themselves doing it anyway, and eventually -- they give up trying to quit and say something silly like "I've decided that I'm a smoker, and I always will be" even though they tried to quit on their own, and the only reason they are saying that is because they didn't have the will power to quit.

Fat people are the same way, they get tired of being called fat it hurts their "feelings." Well guess what, your feelings should be fine with it if you choose to be fat. The reality is, if you're fat, you're fat.

This is like saying you shouldn't call a junkie a junkie. Anybody who doesn't, is of a lower class, not the other way around.

Originally posted by n00bUK

I was born in 1987, never lived to witness this 1984(ish) witchcraft that people talk of. I'v heard this terminology used several times in the past 2 days and quite frankly, I feel left out on something that is obviously deemed an importance..

Please, enlighten one

If not, this is so 1984

1984 Wikipedia

Orwellian describes a totalitarian dystopia characterised by government control and subjugation of the people.

Orwell's invented language, Newspeak, satirizes hypocrisy and evasion by the state: for example, the Ministry of Love (Miniluv) oversees torture and brainwashing, the Ministry of Plenty oversees shortage and famine, the Ministry of Peace (Minipax) oversees war and atrocity.

The book essentially describes a society in which thought crimes exist and citizens are forced by law to only have 'acceptable' thoughts. Acceptable to the state that is.

reply to post by skitzspiricy


So I guess telling smokers that they may get cancer should be stopped as well? Look I smoke, I'm aware of the damage I'm causing to my body and I admit full responsibility for my actions. If someone came up to me everytime I lit a cig and told me I was going to die of cancer soon, I wouldn't be able to do much but blame myself at the end of the day. Are they wrong for telling the truth?

People need to realize the consequences of their actions, period.

nevermind, let them ban it because i found a loophole...
the issue isn't about the word, its about the ridicule.

so instead of saying: you´re fat ahah.

say: you´re fat i'm concerned about your health and quality of life.

that's how you survive in the politically correct dystopia, you don't have to care at all about what you say, you just gotta make it appear like you do.

plus it's all about perspective, i'm skinny when it comes to the western world, but i'd be called a fatty in ethiopia.

i only accept banning the word fat if it's only applied to women, they abuse the word.

Originally posted by DeadSnow
reply to post by skitzspiricy

 

So I guess telling smokers that they may get cancer should be stopped as well? Look I smoke, I'm aware of the damage I'm causing to my body and I admit full responsibility for my actions. If someone came up to me everytime I lit a cig and told me I was going to die of cancer soon, I wouldn't be able to do much but blame myself at the end of the day. Are they wrong for telling the truth?

People need to realize the consequences of their actions, period.

That's what I just said too, it's like calling a junkie a junkie. If you don't, you are saying it's okay to be a junkie.

I smoke too -- I know, it's hard to quit -- but if someone wants to call me an addict to cigars, I'm not gonna be upset about it -- what is true is true.

reply to post by ollncasino


The problem is that many images presented to young people in the media are totally unattainable, especially in the magazine and print media.

Kids should be concerned about their health rather than their body image. If girls wanting to be slim is causing them to have eating disorders then that's not a good thing. The thing is I don't actually remember any fat kids when I went to school. Maybe one or two, but very few. I think it's the way people are eating and the increase in fast food and a more seditary lifestyle that is causing the problems.

We need to tackle these problems rather start banning words.

reply to post by Laykilla
You haven't read the report and you don't understand the point I'm making.

Modern society is too fixated on body-image and kids are raised with stupid ideal body-shapes that they won't ever have. Anorexia, bulimia and obesity are problems. People should just be healthy and worry less about looking like some singer or TV star.

The report has no powers to bring about a new dawn of 'thought control' or prisons full of people who called someone fat ass. That's just paranoid idiocy to even suspect that....or political scheming trying to make out that it is.

The report isn't about you losing your right to offend people you think are too fat...god forbid.

The problem is about people having unrealistic, unhealthy issues about self-image that are sort of pushed on us by western media. The report recommends several approaches to lessening the importance of image and increasing the focus on plain old healthiness. No bad thing imo.

It's funny that the main response to this report is along the lines of..."OMG!!! They're trying to stop me calling people names!!! The humanity!!!"

reply to post by UziLiberman


They would accuse you of calling them fat, how would you deny that?.

Originally posted by skitzspiricy

Now with all that said. In most circumstances i don't feel that it should be labelled as a hate crime and if it is turned into one it would be quite concerning.

I also find it concerning that Members of Parliament and Peers in the House of Lords think that calling someone fat could become a hate crime.

What place does the state have in criminalizing bad manners?

Besides, it is already a criminal offense, punishable by 6 months in prison in the UK to make a grossly offensive statement on the Internet under the Communications Act 2003.

Where does this all end?

I suspect with us all only being allowed to express opinions acceptable to our rulers.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

The thing is I don't actually remember any fat kids when I went to school. Maybe one or two, but very few. I think it's the way people are eating and the increase in fast food and a more seditary lifestyle that is causing the problems.

We need to tackle these problems rather start banning words.

It's the food industry that has a lot of the responsibility for the current obesity epidemic.

They introduced 'snacking' in the late 70s and also substituted corn sugar for real sugar in foods. Unhealthy food which is loaded with salt and corn sugar are also marketed as being low fat and healthy.

The food industry is very powerful. Making it a criminal offense to call someone fat would do their profits no harm at all.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by Laykilla

 

You haven't read the report and you don't understand the point I'm making.

Modern society is too fixated on body-image and kids are raised with stupid ideal body-shapes that they won't ever have. Anorexia, bulimia and obesity are problems. People should just be healthy and worry less about looking like some singer or TV star.

The report has no powers to bring about a new dawn of 'thought control' or prisons full of people who called someone fat ass. That's just paranoid idiocy to even suspect that....or political scheming trying to make out that it is.

The report isn't about you losing your right to offend people you think are too fat...god forbid.

The problem is about people having unrealistic, unhealthy issues about self-image that are sort of pushed on us by western media. The report recommends several approaches to lessening the importance of image and increasing the focus on plain old healthiness. No bad thing imo.

It's funny that the main response to this report is along the lines of..."OMG!!! They're trying to stop me calling people names!!! The humanity!!!"

I did read the report, the report very specifically states that calling someone fat could become a hate crime.

That's what it says, in pure English. Anytime I've ever called someone fat, it wasn't to insult them -- it was to let them know that I didn't agree with their decisions to not attempt a healthier life style.

Don't go blaming the western world for this image issue either -- do you not see European stars? In fact, many of the western stars are from England.

I think it's you who doesn't understand the totality of the report in question, not the other way around -- basically, you're just making excuses for why it's acceptable behavior when it's simply anything but.

A parent that cares about their child can handle their child image issues. And again, this isn't about kids, it's about fatness in totality.

You can't even arrest a child for calling someone a name, so it being a hate crime directly only affects adults.

Another thing, Hate crime??? What the hell is that anyway? We all hate crime to some degree or another. A crime is a crime is a crime in my opinion. Hate crime, thats racist is it not?

Originally posted by DeadSnow
reply to post by skitzspiricy

 

So I guess telling smokers that they may get cancer should be stopped as well? Look I smoke, I'm aware of the damage I'm causing to my body and I admit full responsibility for my actions. If someone came up to me everytime I lit a cig and told me I was going to die of cancer soon, I wouldn't be able to do much but blame myself at the end of the day. Are they wrong for telling the truth?

People need to realize the consequences of their actions, period.

I'm not saying that. I'm talking about people being generally nasty because they don't fit into some perceived notion of what an ideal person should look like.

As i already stated, overweight people are usually acutely aware of what their flaws and bad habits are already, just as you are acutely aware that smoking is bad for you.
It's just a very difficult cycle for them to get out of, just as smoking is likely a very difficult habit for you and many others to break.

I would imagine that if people continuously kept coming up to you and telling you smoking is bad for you everytime you lit up, or shouting it out from car windows, or telling you how much you stink, or avoiding you because you smoke, or whispering about your habit when you were somewhat out of earshot but still knew you could hear, or talking down to you like you were a lesser person, i would imagine after a while you would start getting incredibly annoyed.

Originally posted by andy06shake
Another thing, Hate crime??? What the hell is that anyway? We all hate crime to some degree or another. A crime is a crime is a crime in my opinion. Hate crime, thats racist is it not?

To me, a hate crime is when you commit an actual crime based upon an unfair prejudice. Voicing your opinion that you are indeed prejudice is not in fact a hate crime.

For exemplary practice only;

Calling someone a fag and saying "I hate gays" is not a hate crime. Beating up a gay person because they are gay is. Do you see the difference? Someone who beats up a gay person for being gay should get two charges -- 1, Hate crime, 2 Battery.

Where as beating someone up for any other reason is just battery.

Somehow in this world though, calling a black guy the n word, or a gay person the f word is considered a crime in and of itself, which is simply a perverted PC twist on the law of hate crimes.

The origin of hate crimes came from lynching colored people because they were colored. Not for calling them a name that essentially boils down to, "I hate colored people." Because, well -- that's not a crime in America, it's freedom of speech. I digress.

And then you get people like this moderator who want to come in and say "But it's for the kids" when it has nothing to do with children, like -- at all.