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Originally posted by buddhasystem
Indeed. There are many families (not necessarily desperately poor) who find it very hard to make ends meet. Imagine there is a child daycare facility. Then for some reason it closes, and the next one charges 80% more. This translates into a few hundred dollars a months that the family simply has no way to provide. Now, one of the spouses must quit work to be with the child, and then the family slips into real poverty. I want Romney to explain how he plans to help people like this. They work. They do the right thing. They get screwed in the end anyhow.
And I'm not making up that situation I described above. Real life story. Grown ups crying because they see no escape. I rarely see people in their 40s crying in public.
Originally posted by longlostbrother
Funny how all the conservatives are so pro Romney's lie... because it lets them feel good about hating the poor, and superior to... someone...
Originally posted by wascurious
You know you are full of crap. How far will I have to look to find just one other Republican saying half the country pays no taxes? Yeah, he said what he said. There is nothing to spin.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Indeed. There are many families (not necessarily desperately poor) who find it very hard to make ends meet. Imagine there is a child daycare facility. Then for some reason it closes, and the next one charges 80% more. This translates into a few hundred dollars a months that the family simply has no way to provide. Now, one of the spouses must quit work to be with the child, and then the family slips into real poverty. I want Romney to explain how he plans to help people like this. They work. They do the right thing. They get screwed in the end anyhow.
And I'm not making up that situation I described above. Real life story. Grown ups crying because they see no escape. I rarely see people in their 40s crying in public.
Lets expand this...Imagine the cost of living doubling in four years from a failed President as he pushes the deficit up 6 trillion more dollars in that time causing the hyper inflation. What was once making ends meet no longer does that and we can't blame that on Bush, minimum wage, evil rich etc...we need look to who is carrying the ball for America RIGHT NOW and in four years he has not fixed anything, but made it all worst.
Just as example...you can't waste a trillion dollars in some kind of recovery package that does absolutely nothing and not feel the effects at the pump or grocery store., AND this is just one of his failures, though grand it is.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by thepresident
It couldn't be that the banks robbed the nation of trillions of dollars could it???
And Barney Frank and crew made owning a house an entitlement, its every American's right to own a house...ya right, and we saw what happened when the banks gave out loans to people who will never pay them off..
The banks want their money back.... but I'm with many on this and say F them let them go bankrupt and reset...BUT NOooo Obama needs to bail them out...and so you are right in many respects, but we need to look at the Government that allowed it to happen and continues to support it.
It couldn't be that it is more profitable to be a corporate raider than a doctor
teacher or other real profession?
It couldn't be that Obama has labeled everyone who makes over 250k as some kind of corporate raider, slimy banker, stock market gambler... NOOoo it couldn't be that they are hard working Americans in numerous professions.
Your statement is a perfect example of someone who actually thinks corporate raiders are numerous and a direct cause to our troubles. Class warfare is a deflection from Obama's failures. Even when you look at Romney where they invested in 77 failing companies...30% continued to fail no matter what and the rest are successful. To make those companies successful they did what needed to be done, or they were not going to make the companies worth it for others to buy stock back into them.
Obama spins this as he lost American jobs, BUT we can just as easily say he kept 70% of those companies from failing completely and so SAVED jobs.
The big thing here is it basically covers up Obama's trillion dollar failure by painting Romney's success as some un-American profiteering....SO we debate that an ignore the white elephant in the room of Obama's massive failures.
edit on 19-9-2012 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by PvtHudson
I love how people here are going on and on about the poor, yet deflecting blame where it currently lies. With the Democrats and Obama.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Inflation was stable to far despite many prognostications from the right wing. Further, inflation may or may not mean that real income will sink at a high rate. It will make it easier to pay fixed mortgage, for example.
As to recovery package -- you can't say it does nothing. Economy was falling precipitously and now it's at least stabilized. Things did look pretty bad back then, now at least there is stability. And yes, Obama will face higher hurdles in 4 years from now, but today... He did inherit one hell of a mess 4 years ago.
Romney has not had a single idea regarding the economy, outside of the tired mantra of cutting taxes.
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by PvtHudson
I love how people here are going on and on about the poor, yet deflecting blame where it currently lies. With the Democrats and Obama.
I have noticed that they love to hide behind victims.
- Poor & the Seniors -
It's their comfort zone.
Originally posted by jimmiec
If America becomes a Socialist society it can not be undone. There will quite simply be the have's and have not's. I doubt anyone posting on this thread supporting Obama will be one of the lucky and few have's. The money tree is dieing as we speak.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by wascurious
You know you are full of crap. How far will I have to look to find just one other Republican saying half the country pays no taxes? Yeah, he said what he said. There is nothing to spin.
No the 47% is true percentage, but was the wrong one for what he was trying to say....if you take out the 47% then his statement is true...I'm not saying the guy didn't mess up, I'm saying it was not really what he was trying to express.
It would not even makes sense since 1 million of those who did pay taxes too made over 200k and I dom't think they too...like retirees are part of what he is suggesting want a Nanny state and will vote Obama no matter what to get it.
Originally posted by longlostbrother
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by PvtHudson
I love how people here are going on and on about the poor, yet deflecting blame where it currently lies. With the Democrats and Obama.
I have noticed that they love to hide behind victims.
- Poor & the Seniors -
It's their comfort zone.
Ahhh... so now you ARE saying elderly people are "victims"... This is an exciting new direction for the right... can't wait to see this play out nationally...
Originally posted by longlostbrother
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by wascurious
You know you are full of crap. How far will I have to look to find just one other Republican saying half the country pays no taxes? Yeah, he said what he said. There is nothing to spin.
No the 47% is true percentage, but was the wrong one for what he was trying to say....if you take out the 47% then his statement is true...I'm not saying the guy didn't mess up, I'm saying it was not really what he was trying to express.
It would not even makes sense since 1 million of those who did pay taxes too made over 200k and I dom't think they too...like retirees are part of what he is suggesting want a Nanny state and will vote Obama no matter what to get it.
That 47% number is very popular with the Republicans... he was just repeating a bit of Republican dogma...
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by longlostbrother
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by wascurious
You know you are full of crap. How far will I have to look to find just one other Republican saying half the country pays no taxes? Yeah, he said what he said. There is nothing to spin.
No the 47% is true percentage, but was the wrong one for what he was trying to say....if you take out the 47% then his statement is true...I'm not saying the guy didn't mess up, I'm saying it was not really what he was trying to express.
It would not even makes sense since 1 million of those who did pay taxes too made over 200k and I dom't think they too...like retirees are part of what he is suggesting want a Nanny state and will vote Obama no matter what to get it.
That 47% number is very popular with the Republicans... he was just repeating a bit of Republican dogma...
The 47% Chart was not created by evil Republicans.
The chart game from the U.S. government.
Nice try though. I like your style.
Originally posted by P12SOLD
America is the laughing stock of the world. Electing Bush was bad enough, now millions support this guy Romney getting elected. If there was ever an example of a dumb race Americans have to be it.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Inflation was stable to far despite many prognostications from the right wing. Further, inflation may or may not mean that real income will sink at a high rate. It will make it easier to pay fixed mortgage, for example.
As to recovery package -- you can't say it does nothing. Economy was falling precipitously and now it's at least stabilized. Things did look pretty bad back then, now at least there is stability. And yes, Obama will face higher hurdles in 4 years from now, but today... He did inherit one hell of a mess 4 years ago.
Romney has not had a single idea regarding the economy, outside of the tired mantra of cutting taxes.
He wants to boost small business, where most jobs just happen to be
Just take a look at what happened to small businesses in Massachusetts while Romney was governor:
Start-ups fell: Under Romney, the number of business start-ups fell by 10%, hitting their lowest point in his last year in office. Each year Romney was in office, start-up growth in Massachusetts lagged behind the national average.
Small businesses shut their doors: When Romney took office, more entrepreneurs were starting small businesses than shutting them down. When he left, the opposite was true—the number of small businesses shrank during his term.
Job creation suffered: With fewer new businesses starting, and existing small businesses closing shop, Massachusetts fell to 47th of 50 states in job creation during Romney’s term.
TAMPA – Everybody loves small-business owners and tonight Mitt Romney will pretend to be one. “When I was 37, I helped start a small company,” his speech reads, according to excerpts released early. ”That business we started with 10 people has now grown into a great American success story. Some of the companies we helped start are names you know,” he adds. The section comes just after Romney extolls the virtue and industrious of the small-business entrepreneurs.
Of course, the “small company” he refers to is Bain Capital. Bain was started with $37 million in initial capital, much of it raised from wealthy foreign donors.