Romney in secretly taped video: Obama voters ‘dependent’ on government

Originally posted by buddhasystem


Indeed. There are many families (not necessarily desperately poor) who find it very hard to make ends meet. Imagine there is a child daycare facility. Then for some reason it closes, and the next one charges 80% more. This translates into a few hundred dollars a months that the family simply has no way to provide. Now, one of the spouses must quit work to be with the child, and then the family slips into real poverty. I want Romney to explain how he plans to help people like this. They work. They do the right thing. They get screwed in the end anyhow.

And I'm not making up that situation I described above. Real life story. Grown ups crying because they see no escape. I rarely see people in their 40s crying in public.

Lets expand this...Imagine the cost of living doubling in four years from a failed President as he pushes the deficit up 6 trillion more dollars in that time causing the hyper inflation. What was once making ends meet no longer does that and we can't blame that on Bush, minimum wage, evil rich etc...we need look to who is carrying the ball for America RIGHT NOW and in four years he has not fixed anything, but made it all worst.

Just as example...you can't waste a trillion dollars in some kind of recovery package that does absolutely nothing and not feel the effects at the pump or grocery store., AND this is just one of his failures, though grand it is.

Originally posted by longlostbrother
Funny how all the conservatives are so pro Romney's lie... because it lets them feel good about hating the poor, and superior to... someone...

A lie would mean you failed to act on a promise.... What promise did Romney fail to act on?

What promises did Obama fail to act on...

One is factual and the other is pure speculation...

Well, his number is rather high. However, there is a significant percentage of people that would rather keep collecting government checks rather than have to work for a living, and before partisans start ranting about right wing, left wing nonsense, understand that I am not voting for Romney or Obama. I am writing in Ron Paul's name, so if you respond to this post, keep partisan politics out of it.

Originally posted by wascurious
You know you are full of crap. How far will I have to look to find just one other Republican saying half the country pays no taxes? Yeah, he said what he said. There is nothing to spin.

No the 47% is true percentage, but was the wrong one for what he was trying to say....if you take out the 47% then his statement is true...I'm not saying the guy didn't mess up, I'm saying it was not really what he was trying to express.

It would not even makes sense since 1 million of those who did pay taxes too made over 200k and I dom't think they too...like retirees are part of what he is suggesting want a Nanny state and will vote Obama no matter what to get it.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by buddhasystem


Indeed. There are many families (not necessarily desperately poor) who find it very hard to make ends meet. Imagine there is a child daycare facility. Then for some reason it closes, and the next one charges 80% more. This translates into a few hundred dollars a months that the family simply has no way to provide. Now, one of the spouses must quit work to be with the child, and then the family slips into real poverty. I want Romney to explain how he plans to help people like this. They work. They do the right thing. They get screwed in the end anyhow.

And I'm not making up that situation I described above. Real life story. Grown ups crying because they see no escape. I rarely see people in their 40s crying in public.

Lets expand this...Imagine the cost of living doubling in four years from a failed President as he pushes the deficit up 6 trillion more dollars in that time causing the hyper inflation. What was once making ends meet no longer does that and we can't blame that on Bush, minimum wage, evil rich etc...we need look to who is carrying the ball for America RIGHT NOW and in four years he has not fixed anything, but made it all worst.

Just as example...you can't waste a trillion dollars in some kind of recovery package that does absolutely nothing and not feel the effects at the pump or grocery store., AND this is just one of his failures, though grand it is.

Inflation was stable to far despite many prognostications from the right wing. Further, inflation may or may not mean that real income will sink at a high rate. It will make it easier to pay fixed mortgage, for example.

As to recovery package -- you can't say it does nothing. Economy was falling precipitously and now it's at least stabilized. Things did look pretty bad back then, now at least there is stability. And yes, Obama will face higher hurdles in 4 years from now, but today... He did inherit one hell of a mess 4 years ago.

Romney has not had a single idea regarding the economy, outside of the tired mantra of cutting taxes.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by thepresident

It couldn't be that the banks robbed the nation of trillions of dollars could it???

And Barney Frank and crew made owning a house an entitlement, its every American's right to own a house...ya right, and we saw what happened when the banks gave out loans to people who will never pay them off..

The banks want their money back.... but I'm with many on this and say F them let them go bankrupt and reset...BUT NOooo Obama needs to bail them out...and so you are right in many respects, but we need to look at the Government that allowed it to happen and continues to support it.

It couldn't be that it is more profitable to be a corporate raider than a doctor
teacher or other real profession?

It couldn't be that Obama has labeled everyone who makes over 250k as some kind of corporate raider, slimy banker, stock market gambler... NOOoo it couldn't be that they are hard working Americans in numerous professions.

Your statement is a perfect example of someone who actually thinks corporate raiders are numerous and a direct cause to our troubles. Class warfare is a deflection from Obama's failures. Even when you look at Romney where they invested in 77 failing companies...30% continued to fail no matter what and the rest are successful. To make those companies successful they did what needed to be done, or they were not going to make the companies worth it for others to buy stock back into them.

Obama spins this as he lost American jobs, BUT we can just as easily say he kept 70% of those companies from failing completely and so SAVED jobs.

The big thing here is it basically covers up Obama's trillion dollar failure by painting Romney's success as some un-American profiteering....SO we debate that an ignore the white elephant in the room of Obama's massive failures.

edit on 19-9-2012 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)

Obama's Massive Failures:




We need to squeeze in there : Muslim Brotherhood Foreign Policy is in ruins

Also - Benghazi Terrorist Attack on our embassy - Hillary Incompetence

I love how people here are going on and on about the poor, yet deflecting blame where it currently lies. With the Democrats and Obama.

Originally posted by PvtHudson
I love how people here are going on and on about the poor, yet deflecting blame where it currently lies. With the Democrats and Obama.

I have noticed that they love to hide behind victims.

- Poor & the Seniors -

It's their comfort zone.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Inflation was stable to far despite many prognostications from the right wing. Further, inflation may or may not mean that real income will sink at a high rate. It will make it easier to pay fixed mortgage, for example.

As to recovery package -- you can't say it does nothing. Economy was falling precipitously and now it's at least stabilized. Things did look pretty bad back then, now at least there is stability. And yes, Obama will face higher hurdles in 4 years from now, but today... He did inherit one hell of a mess 4 years ago.

Romney has not had a single idea regarding the economy, outside of the tired mantra of cutting taxes.

He wants to boost small business, where most jobs just happen to be, he wants to cut government spending and reduce it, of a government that just happens to be out of control. You seem to suggest Romney doesn't have the leadership and business skills to make this happen though he has proven as the CEO of Bain and Winter Olympics and a successful Governor that he has.

I doubt we would see a laundry list of 100s of billions of dollars pumped into failed companies and ideas as we see with Obama...just look up his success on "green companies" as a small example of where he wasted billions...

You would be hard press to suggest that we will be better off in four years under Obama than Romney for what I typed above is not in Obama's cards...

BTW Obama higher hurdles are of his own creation, PLEASE tell me in years at what point can we finally say what is happening is Obama's direct responsibility.

If America becomes a Socialist society it can not be undone. There will quite simply be the have's and have not's. I doubt anyone posting on this thread supporting Obama will be one of the lucky and few have's. The money tree is dieing as we speak.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by PvtHudson
I love how people here are going on and on about the poor, yet deflecting blame where it currently lies. With the Democrats and Obama.

I have noticed that they love to hide behind victims.

- Poor & the Seniors -

It's their comfort zone.

Ahhh... so now you ARE saying elderly people are "victims"... This is an exciting new direction for the right... can't wait to see this play out nationally...

Originally posted by jimmiec
If America becomes a Socialist society it can not be undone. There will quite simply be the have's and have not's. I doubt anyone posting on this thread supporting Obama will be one of the lucky and few have's. The money tree is dieing as we speak.

We have a new - Money Tree -.

-- Helicopter Ben ! --

QE - Forever ! It's just so easy ! What could go wrong?

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by wascurious
You know you are full of crap. How far will I have to look to find just one other Republican saying half the country pays no taxes? Yeah, he said what he said. There is nothing to spin.

No the 47% is true percentage, but was the wrong one for what he was trying to say....if you take out the 47% then his statement is true...I'm not saying the guy didn't mess up, I'm saying it was not really what he was trying to express.

It would not even makes sense since 1 million of those who did pay taxes too made over 200k and I dom't think they too...like retirees are part of what he is suggesting want a Nanny state and will vote Obama no matter what to get it.

That 47% number is very popular with the Republicans... he was just repeating a bit of Republican dogma...

Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by PvtHudson
I love how people here are going on and on about the poor, yet deflecting blame where it currently lies. With the Democrats and Obama.

I have noticed that they love to hide behind victims.

- Poor & the Seniors -

It's their comfort zone.

Ahhh... so now you ARE saying elderly people are "victims"... This is an exciting new direction for the right... can't wait to see this play out nationally...

I'm glad the debate is front and center.

Do we want to be - dependent - or - independent- of the U.S. government?

Will hiding behind victims work for the liberals in 2012?

Time will tell.

The Sandra Fluke victim story isn't working with most women.

All i hear is: Stop pandering to us!

Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by wascurious
You know you are full of crap. How far will I have to look to find just one other Republican saying half the country pays no taxes? Yeah, he said what he said. There is nothing to spin.

No the 47% is true percentage, but was the wrong one for what he was trying to say....if you take out the 47% then his statement is true...I'm not saying the guy didn't mess up, I'm saying it was not really what he was trying to express.

It would not even makes sense since 1 million of those who did pay taxes too made over 200k and I dom't think they too...like retirees are part of what he is suggesting want a Nanny state and will vote Obama no matter what to get it.

That 47% number is very popular with the Republicans... he was just repeating a bit of Republican dogma...

The 47% Chart was not created by evil Republicans.

The chart game from the U.S. government.

Nice try though. I like your style.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by wascurious
You know you are full of crap. How far will I have to look to find just one other Republican saying half the country pays no taxes? Yeah, he said what he said. There is nothing to spin.

No the 47% is true percentage, but was the wrong one for what he was trying to say....if you take out the 47% then his statement is true...I'm not saying the guy didn't mess up, I'm saying it was not really what he was trying to express.

It would not even makes sense since 1 million of those who did pay taxes too made over 200k and I dom't think they too...like retirees are part of what he is suggesting want a Nanny state and will vote Obama no matter what to get it.

That 47% number is very popular with the Republicans... he was just repeating a bit of Republican dogma...

The 47% Chart was not created by evil Republicans.

The chart game from the U.S. government.

Nice try though. I like your style.

The chart was created by the governement, the spin, the lie, that all the seniors are leeches, was created by the Republicans...

America is the laughing stock of the world. Electing Bush was bad enough, now millions support this guy Romney getting elected. If there was ever an example of a dumb race Americans have to be it.

Originally posted by P12SOLD
America is the laughing stock of the world. Electing Bush was bad enough, now millions support this guy Romney getting elected. If there was ever an example of a dumb race Americans have to be it.

And where are you from?

You better get used to it.

- President Mitt Romney and Vice President Paul Ryan -

It will be an 8 year term.

Think Ronald Reagan 2.0.

Obama has left President Mitt Romney a mess to clean up.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Inflation was stable to far despite many prognostications from the right wing. Further, inflation may or may not mean that real income will sink at a high rate. It will make it easier to pay fixed mortgage, for example.

As to recovery package -- you can't say it does nothing. Economy was falling precipitously and now it's at least stabilized. Things did look pretty bad back then, now at least there is stability. And yes, Obama will face higher hurdles in 4 years from now, but today... He did inherit one hell of a mess 4 years ago.

Romney has not had a single idea regarding the economy, outside of the tired mantra of cutting taxes.

He wants to boost small business, where most jobs just happen to be

LINK

Just take a look at what happened to small businesses in Massachusetts while Romney was governor:

Start-ups fell: Under Romney, the number of business start-ups fell by 10%, hitting their lowest point in his last year in office. Each year Romney was in office, start-up growth in Massachusetts lagged behind the national average.

Small businesses shut their doors: When Romney took office, more entrepreneurs were starting small businesses than shutting them down. When he left, the opposite was true—the number of small businesses shrank during his term.

Job creation suffered: With fewer new businesses starting, and existing small businesses closing shop, Massachusetts fell to 47th of 50 states in job creation during Romney’s term.

LINK

TAMPA – Everybody loves small-business owners and tonight Mitt Romney will pretend to be one. “When I was 37, I helped start a small company,” his speech reads, according to excerpts released early. ”That business we started with 10 people has now grown into a great American success story. Some of the companies we helped start are names you know,” he adds. The section comes just after Romney extolls the virtue and industrious of the small-business entrepreneurs.

Of course, the “small company” he refers to is Bain Capital. Bain was started with $37 million in initial capital, much of it raised from wealthy foreign donors.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Think Ronald Reagan 2.0.

Reagan brought us the largest stock market crash in history as well as the savings and loan crisis.