Romney in secretly taped video: Obama voters ‘dependent’ on government

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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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www.taxpolicycenter.org...



Who Doesn't Pay Federal Taxes?





46.4% of Households Paid No Federal Income Tax for 2011



taxfoundation.org...

The middle income quintile now receives more in average benefits than it pays in average taxes, after paying net federal taxes (taxes minus transfer benefits) of at least 10% for all of the 1980s and 1990s....


When total federal spending (not just transfer benefits) is considered along with federal taxes, we similarly see that the bottom 60 percent of families received more in government benefits and services than the group paid in federal taxes. Specifically, these 60 percent of families were projected to receive $826 billion more in benefits from total federal spending than they were projected to pay in total federal taxes.
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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:20 AM
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Funny how all the conservatives are so pro Romney's lie... because it lets them feel good about hating the poor, and superior to... someone...

Pathetic really, but sure, watching them jump up and down and defend his ridiculous flub is good entertainment.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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80+% of non-retired people pay income tax.
96% of people between 45-55 pay income tax.
The vast majority of people that don't pay tax are retired people.

Is it now the policy of the right to go after retired people?

I know the right loves to bash the poor, but am surprised at their great desire to bash retired people.

Not getting the black vote, or the Hispanic vote or the youth vote or the female vote isn't enough? They're now trying to lose the votes of older white people?



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by NavyDoc
 





As LBJ said about his expansion of the welfare state;"“I’ll have those n#$$%&s voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
- Lyndon B. Johnson"


Really this is a true quote?

I'm not surprised.



Of course your not, but no, it's not real... it was made up in 2004, but a conservative... it was repeatedly posted into Wikipedia until they blocked the guy, Andy something...

Because, you know, when the truth doesn't work, why not try lying, right?



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson
www.taxpolicycenter.org...



Who Doesn't Pay Federal Taxes?





46.4% of Households Paid No Federal Income Tax for 2011



taxfoundation.org...

The middle income quintile now receives more in average benefits than it pays in average taxes, after paying net federal taxes (taxes minus transfer benefits) of at least 10% for all of the 1980s and 1990s....


When total federal spending (not just transfer benefits) is considered along with federal taxes, we similarly see that the bottom 60 percent of families received more in government benefits and services than the group paid in federal taxes. Specifically, these 60 percent of families were projected to receive $826 billion more in benefits from total federal spending than they were projected to pay in total federal taxes.
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It's hard to argue with a clear pie chart.

President Mitt Romney was right. 47% are getting a free ride.

They should pay something instead of nothing.

That would be fair.
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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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When the
government fears the people, there is liberty.
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

Thomas
Jefferson



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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"It turns out that just 6.9 percent of people who are non-elderly don't pay income tax. That is a far cry from 47 percent. We are not, in fact, a nation of moochers, as Romney seems to suggest."

blog.syracuse.com...

Which means that Romney just took a massive dump on 40% of non-tax payers that might actually, using his logic, vote for him.

Clever boy.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
When the
government fears the people, there is liberty.
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

Thomas
Jefferson


Jefferson never said that either...

www.monticello.org...

You guys on the right believe pretty much anything.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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Gallup conducted its survey September 6-9, which was toward the end of the Democratic National Convention when government-centered policies and prescriptions were embraced.
www.gallup.com...
Gallup also found a partisan divide on the appropriate role of government.

Eighty-two percent of Republicans felt government was doing too much while 67% of Democrats said “government should do more.”

More than a majority of Independent voters (62%), though, believed government was doing too much.

On the question of whether the government has too much power, 51% said it did.

Gallup found Republicans “have been much more likely to agree that government has too much power since 2009, under a Democratic president” while Democrats were more likely to say the government had too much power when a Republican, George W. Bush, was president.

www.breitbart.com...



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by PvtHudson
www.taxpolicycenter.org...



Who Doesn't Pay Federal Taxes?





46.4% of Households Paid No Federal Income Tax for 2011



taxfoundation.org...

The middle income quintile now receives more in average benefits than it pays in average taxes, after paying net federal taxes (taxes minus transfer benefits) of at least 10% for all of the 1980s and 1990s....


When total federal spending (not just transfer benefits) is considered along with federal taxes, we similarly see that the bottom 60 percent of families received more in government benefits and services than the group paid in federal taxes. Specifically, these 60 percent of families were projected to receive $826 billion more in benefits from total federal spending than they were projected to pay in total federal taxes.
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It hard to argue with a clear pie chart.

President Mitt Romney was right. 47% are getting a free ride.

They should pay something instead of nothing.

That would be fair.


Don't be dim.

Less than 7% of those people are non-retired.

Are you REALLY advocating coming after retired people... ?

That's what you think is the big problem? Free-loading elderly people?

Not say, millionaires paying a lower percentage in taxes than bus drivers?
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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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You are overreacting.

Coming after does not equal - take all their money-.

Let them pay a flat 5%.

That would be fair.

Zero is not fair.

Everybody should pay something.

The President Mitt Romney argument suggests a - Flat Tax - would be better.

The current Tax Code Monster should go in the trash.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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That's the whole thing... Americans can't comprehend data. Period. And I mean on both sides, Dems and Reps. The number 47% doesn't mean anything when taken in isolation. But to make things worse, every person seems to ascribe different meaning to it. Some assume this is the percentage that doesn't do useful work and fully depend on handouts. Some people think that 47% population is on welfare. But the biggest flaw in logic of all was displayed by Romney himself -- that the 47% who happen to not pay federal tax (maybe due to the fact that they retired on money they earned by hard work!) are leeches and that somehow all of them are leeches and somehow leeches like Obama.

That's just such a pile of crap that I'm surprised to see people here who say "what's the big deal?". Yup it is a big deal when Romney sounds like a retard. There are many conservatives or undecided in that 47% crowd.

I lean towards the explanation given in the CNN article. Romney in fact is smart but he is catering to a group of very narrow minded people, who happen to be rich. And he's dumbing himself down to appeal to them. Same goes for his position on abortion, where he flip-flopped when he saw what gave him better chances at nomination.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.


...and when 47% of Americans feel spurned and despised, there is Romney.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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You are overreacting.

Coming after does not equal - take all their money-.

Let them pay a flat 5%.

That would be fair.

Zero is not fair.

Everybody should pay something.

The President Mitt Romney argument suggests a - Flat Tax - would be better.

The current Tax Code Monster should go in the trash.


They are getting their income from social security...

You're simply taking back 5% of what they're getting??

How is that fair again?

And the flat tax bollocks is a pure right-wing wet dream, shifting the burden even more onto the middle class and poor.

You can't REALLY believe Romney was saying this:

"The elderly will vote for the president no matter what. All right, the elderly, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

That's what you think he meant? Yes?

You think Romney was going after the elderly and the retired? That he thinks they, "should take personal responsibility and care for their lives" and they, "believe that they are victims"?

That's also what you think?

The elderly and the retired think they're victims, are irresponsible, and don't care about their lives?

And btw: "coming after" does mean insulting them and then taking away part of the money they paid (and were ALREADY TAXED ON)... yeah, that's coming after them alright.

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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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The current system must go.

It's an absolute mess.

Nobody can understand it.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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The current system must go.

It's an absolute mess.

Nobody can understand it.



It may be confusing, but that doesn't mean the answer is shifting more of the burden onto the poor and middle classes...



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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The current system must go.
It's an absolute mess.
Nobody can understand it.


It may be confusing, but that doesn't mean the answer is shifting more of the burden onto the poor and middle classes...


Indeed. There are many families (not necessarily desperately poor) who find it very hard to make ends meet. Imagine there is a child daycare facility. Then for some reason it closes, and the next one charges 80% more. This translates into a few hundred dollars a months that the family simply has no way to provide. Now, one of the spouses must quit work to be with the child, and then the family slips into real poverty. I want Romney to explain how he plans to help people like this. They work. They do the right thing. They get screwed in the end anyhow.

And I'm not making up that situation I described above. Real life story. Grown ups crying because they see no escape. I rarely see people in their 40s crying in public.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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The current system must go.

It's an absolute mess.

Nobody can understand it.



It may be confusing, but that doesn't mean the answer is shifting more of the burden onto the poor and middle classes...


Well, there is a strategy to label the poor - victims - and then hide behind them.

That could work.



posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by thepresident

It couldn't be that the banks robbed the nation of trillions of dollars could it???



And Barney Frank and crew made owning a house an entitlement, its every American's right to own a house...ya right, and we saw what happened when the banks gave out loans to people who will never pay them off..

The banks want their money back.... but I'm with many on this and say F them let them go bankrupt and reset...BUT NOooo Obama needs to bail them out...and so you are right in many respects, but we need to look at the Government that allowed it to happen and continues to support it.



It couldn't be that it is more profitable to be a corporate raider than a doctor
teacher or other real profession?


It couldn't be that Obama has labeled everyone who makes over 250k as some kind of corporate raider, slimy banker, stock market gambler... NOOoo it couldn't be that they are hard working Americans in numerous professions.

Your statement is a perfect example of someone who actually thinks corporate raiders are numerous and a direct cause to our troubles. Class warfare is a deflection from Obama's failures. Even when you look at Romney where they invested in 77 failing companies...30% continued to fail no matter what and the rest are successful. To make those companies successful they did what needed to be done, or they were not going to make the companies worth it for others to buy stock back into them.

Obama spins this as he lost American jobs, BUT we can just as easily say he kept 70% of those companies from failing completely and so SAVED jobs.

The big thing here is it basically covers up Obama's trillion dollar failure by painting Romney's success as some un-American profiteering....SO we debate that an ignore the white elephant in the room of Obama's massive failures.


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posted on Sep, 19 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Well, there is a strategy to label the poor - victims - and then hide behind them.

That could work.


Well, there is also a strategy to label the rich - victims - and then hide behind them.

That won't work.






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