Romney in secretly taped video: Obama voters ‘dependent’ on government

Mitt Romney told a group of donors in a surreptitiously taped private fundraiser that voters who back President Obama are "entitled" and "dependent on government."

Romney seems to be referring to the estimated 47 percent of Americans who did not owe federal income taxes in 2011 because their incomes were so low that they qualified for a tax credit, or because they didn't work at all. Last year, 22 percent of people who didn't owe income taxes were elderly people on Social Security, and an additional 17 percent were students, disabled people or the unemployed. More than 60 percent of the group were low-income workers, many of whom qualified for the child tax credit or the earned income tax credit. (These workers did pay payroll taxes for Social Security and other programs.)

Maybe people don't want to vote for you because your campaign is weak, you're creepy, you're at a disconnect with 99% of the country, and you're boring. Ever think about that? Just admit that you're unlikable...don't blame it on people "dependent" on the government. Maybe you helped those people come dependent, you outsourced their jobs did you not?

He's sitting here going on about healthcare when he is the one that was the first to start the individual mandate. And what does he want to do? Impose an income tax on people that do not have an income? Like 18 yr old college students? I don't get his point about taxes. Tax people that have no money already?

Romney = GROSS

You and I have been at odds, and agreed before as well..

But I'm behind you this time, again.. S&F sir

Romney nailed it.

I have to sleep.. to earn my income that will be taxed at a high rate .. which I gladly do to pay into the services my fellow citizens need .. so I won't be here to fight with you on the craptastic posts you're sure to get in response..

But as a tax payer .. I don't mind helping the society I CHOOSE to live with .. I hope one day if I am in need, I will have the support of my society as I so gladly support them.. when you want to be elite and a "do for myself" kind of person.. go build yourself an island and stop taking my cash =) .. until then.. realize we support you.. so you need to do your part.. lord knows I do mine.. and I do it with a smile because I'm part of a community..

I've been a Jaycee since I was 13 .. community projects and helping my area for as long as I can remember.. a scout prior..

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Maybe people don't want to vote for you because your campaign is weak, you're creepy, you're at a disconnect with 99% of the country, and you're boring. Ever think about that? Just admit that you're unlikable...don't blame it on people "dependent" on the government. Maybe you helped those people come dependent, you outsourced their jobs did you not?

Trust me im not a Romney supporter, but I have to come to bat here........youre not being intellectually fair here...

He didnt outsource these jobs, he wasnt there for half of it because he wasnt with the company, and the other part was dicated by a PANEL of people, he was not a soul decision maker, thats how companies work....

he didnt walk in and say "lets outsource these jobs" and with a mighty wand do it, in fact it wasnt even something HE himself put into motion.......

Stop spewing more talking points, do research.....

2. Why is he creepy? Thats what you have? hes creepy? thats pretty weak........did you mean to say "hes mormon"

I often see you veil things in your posts like this........

3. Hes right, a very very very large portion of Obamas voting block does come from people who are gov dependent.........its been proven in his poling numbers and his turn outs......

it doesnt go for EVERYONE, but illegal immigrants, people who receive gov assistance, and people who are heavily gov invested in those areas ARE a part of his huge voting block......

Just because you dont like someone saying it, doesnt mean its not true.....

Please do some research......

That being said.........im still voting Ron Paul

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Well, if he truly doesn't want his peers to pay any more taxes than they already pay...which is probably still more than he averaged before 2010 anyway, but if they don't mind...I don't mind...


...anyway, if he doesn't want that to increase...and still wants to decrease corporate tax rates from 35% to 25%...

(which in real numbers, after the loopholes, for way too many big corporations in the US, 35% comes out to somewhere between -3% to 3% actual tax paid...which means, YES...many multibillion businesses actually got a tax refund!)

AND also wants to live up to his impossible promise of lowering EVERYONE's tax rate by something like 15%...he's going to have to find a way to come up with the money.

Maybe he can just write a check.
Or rob a bank...I bet he knows someone on the inside.


Either he is the 'tax-man' or a 'magic-man.'
Because he is definitely not a 'math-man.'

My Magic Tax Plan Will Repeal Math

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask


That being said.........im still voting Ron Paul

You had me until this last sentence...speaking of CREEPY?

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He claims he wasn't there for much of the time it's proveable he was .. or at least profiting from their action.. so I can't defend him in that .. sorry

He seems like a sleeze.. gut feeling there, no proof.. but that's ok too .. I'm not trying to prove anything that's just my thoughts..

Obama any better? .. not much...

I think we're kind of screwed for at least another 5 years.. the remainder of this and the 4 that follow.. hopefully we wake up and hopefully better contenders come to bat.. but I predict four more years of conflict and hardship... along with massive corporate gains.

Originally posted by queenannie38
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

Well, if he truly doesn't want his peers to pay any more taxes than they already pay...which is probably still more than he averaged before 2010 anyway, but if they don't mind...I don't mind...

...anyway, if he doesn't want that to increase...and still wants to decrease corporate tax rates from 35% to 25%...

(which in real numbers, after the loopholes, for way too many big corporations in the US, 35% comes out to somewhere between -3% to 3% actual tax paid...which means, YES...many multibillion businesses actually got a tax refund!)

AND also wants to live up to his impossible promise of lowering EVERYONE's tax rate by something like 15%...he's going to have to find a way to come up with the money.

Maybe he can just write a check.
Or rob a bank...I bet he knows someone on the inside.

Either he is the 'tax-man' or a 'magic-man.'
Because he is definitely not a 'math-man.'

My Magic Tax Plan Will Repeal Math

Paying more is relative.. if you mean gross amounts.. no duh ..

If you mean percentages.. and when you add that against cost of living.. NO WAY ... yes they pay a "fair percentage" of gross income.. and more in some instances.. but when you compare that against someone making practically nothing... the remainder could mean a yacht and three mansions for a rich person and paying bills and perhaps some food for a poor person..

That is the absolute IGNORANCE of that mentality ..

He's not wrong in saying there are 47 percent that he need not concern himself with...he is, after all, talking about the election and campaigning, he will not change their minds...he is just wrong about his characterization of them.

These comments will likely not sit well with the narrow percent of Independents he is aiming for... If you didn't already know he is out of touch and arrogant, you do now.

Stick a fork in him, he is done.

I am fairly well off.. I pay a lot in taxes.. I still get the luxury of buying a new car and buying crap I don't need.. I DESERVE to be taxed more.. and in fact I pay extra into the system.. I get it refunded, but i still pay it in .. I do so voluntarily .. I donate .. I give to the humane society .. I contribute to local musicians.. I volunteer at food drives..

I think it's important to do so .. I'm part of a community .. I have a skill that's earned me money.. that money comes from those that need my skill.. so I contribute back to the community where that comes from.. how is that evil? .. I see people paint the portrait of socialism as if it's SO evil that they took and expect to give back anything.. *hiss* .. heaven forbid they contribute back to the place where they live.. what kind of silliness is that? ..

There are loopholes int he tax code that let them get away with nonsense... they can pay the minimum .. and donate and get a break for doing so .. I don't even report my donations! .. I just do it..

I can't stand the greed that is built into some people.. it's sickening... AND THIS .. coming from an atheist .. IMAGINE

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Because he is not just going to lower the tax rate, he is going to fight to get rid of all the loopholes....so in the end all corporations will actually pay more than they have been.

If his plan is allowed to work, regular citizens will get a tax reduction.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
He didnt outsource these jobs, he wasnt there for half of it because he wasnt with the company, and the other part was dicated by a PANEL of people, he was not a soul decision maker, thats how companies work....

he didnt walk in and say "lets outsource these jobs" and with a mighty wand do it, in fact it wasnt even something HE himself put into motion.......

Be that as it may...he is the one who profited...and still profits...from those decisions made in his absence.
And the ONLY one.
He remains the sole stockholder in Bain Capital, does he not?

Technically, doesn't owning a share in a company's stocks often qualify the stockholder to vote on company decisions regarding leadership?
(depending on how the stock is categorized)

Stop spewing more talking points, do research.....

Rolling Stone may not gather moss, but they have gathered a lot of true information on Mitt's financial escapades...even to the extent of filing a Freedom of Information Act, the results of which they also share freely on their website...that link is on the same page that I linked to here.

More from Rolling Stone:

And this is where we get to the hypocrisy at the heart of Mitt Romney. Everyone knows that he is fantastically rich, having scored great success, the legend goes, as a "turnaround specialist," a shrewd financial operator who revived moribund companies as a high-priced consultant for a storied Wall Street private equity firm. But what most voters don't know is the way Mitt Romney actually made his fortune: by borrowing vast sums of money that other people were forced to pay back. This is the plain, stark reality that has somehow eluded America's top political journalists for two consecutive presidential campaigns: Mitt Romney is one of the greatest and most irresponsible debt creators of all time. In the past few decades, in fact, Romney has piled more debt onto more unsuspecting companies, written more gigantic checks that other people have to cover, than perhaps all but a handful of people on planet Earth.

By making debt the centerpiece of his campaign, Romney was making a calculated bluff of historic dimensions – placing a massive all-in bet on the rank incompetence of the American press corps. The result has been a brilliant comedy: A man makes a $250 million fortune loading up companies with debt and then extracting million-dollar fees from those same companies, in exchange for the generous service of telling them who needs to be fired in order to finance the debt payments he saddled them with in the first place. That same man then runs for president riding an image of children roasting on flames of debt, choosing as his running mate perhaps the only politician in America more pompous and self-righteous on the subject of the evils of borrowed money than the candidate himself. If Romney pulls off this whopper, you'll have to tip your hat to him: No one in history has ever successfully run for president riding this big of a lie. It's almost enough to make you think he really is qualified for the White House.

The unlikeliness of Romney's gambit isn't simply a reflection of his own artlessly unapologetic mindset – it stands as an emblem for the resiliency of the entire sociopathic Wall Street set he represents. Four years ago, the Mitt Romneys of the world nearly destroyed the global economy with their greed, shortsightedness and – most notably – wildly irresponsible use of debt in pursuit of personal profit. The sight was so disgusting that people everywhere were ready to drop an H-bomb on Lower Manhattan and bayonet the survivors. But today that same insane greed ethos, that same belief in the lunatic pursuit of instant borrowed millions – it's dusted itself off, it's had a shave and a shoeshine, and it's back out there running for president.

Just one reason the man is suspected of CREEPINESS by many of us...

Even though I just cited one source, the research I have done myself is all in agreement with what RS says...what is convenient is to find it all compiled and in one place. Of course, anyone truly interested is able to do the same run-of-the-mill type research I did, in order to reach the same conclusions as the writers at RS.

I would say that democrats pretty much prey on the poor. That is the area where they focus on, and personally I think it is all about the vote and nothing more.

So some person who does little with their life gets the message that if they vote for Obama he will redistribute wealth in their favor to get federal subsidies and all they need to do is breath. So ya the family that makes under 50k is exactly who Obama is talking to.

Hell I would vote for the guy too, but I'm a working man and so he has actually done nothing to benefit me in the least.

So true, these people care about nothing but what government can give them, what's on reality Tv, and cigarettes and beer. I don't really think it's 47% yet, maybe 35%.

Describing his family background, he quipped about his father, "Had he been born of Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot of winning this."

....or...he'd be the owner of a successful landscaping business...with a partner they all call "Chewy."

Even if Romney was not part of Bain when they began to outsource jobs, just the fact that he is associated with a company who took part in actions that have helped downgrade this country in terms of economic prosperity and growth is enough for me. It isn't like he was CEO a long time before it began, he retired and very soon after the company he helped build was taking part in this behavior. And it is ironic, because his backers are using his financial 'expertise' as one of the reasons he would be a good leader and president. I happen to see it the other way around. He is associated with the type of behavior that has helped destroy this country and it's middle class.

Originally posted by miniatus


There are loopholes int he tax code that let them get away with nonsense... they can pay the minimum .. and donate and get a break for doing so .. I don't even report my donations! .. I just do it..

I can't stand the greed that is built into some people.. it's sickening... AND THIS .. coming from an atheist .. IMAGINE

Well fix the loopholes...the funny part is raising taxes doesn't do squat to the super rich because they still have the LOOPHOLES!!!

Now some of us who do have money don't have those same loopholes and we just get hit with the more taxes. More taxes is not the answer...a more efficient Government is how we need to fix our problems. Do you mind if they waste YOUR taxes and just say oh well, we can just tax more?

I sure don't see Obama talking about actually fixing the tax code, just creating class warfare in the effort to suggest he is on the "little guy" side....but I don't he him trying to mess with his rich friends by actually doing something good with the tax code.

Originally posted by miniatus
I have to sleep.. to earn my income that will be taxed at a high rate .. which I gladly do to pay into the services my fellow citizens need .. so I won't be here to fight with you on the craptastic posts you're sure to get in response..

But as a tax payer .. I don't mind helping the society I CHOOSE to live with .. I hope one day if I am in need, I will have the support of my society as I so gladly support them.

Dearest miniatus,

Maybe you don't yet understand that 100% of all income taxes go to pay ONLY THE INTEREST on federal reserve notes?

All of your hard earned income taxes that you apparently think is going to help your fellow man is, in actuality, paid to federal reserve shareholders (criminal international bankers) that create debt paper out of nothing and charge you for it. This is all made possible by criminals usurping the money powers which are specifically reserved to Congress by the Constitution.

Read the Congressional Grace Commission report.

"100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the federal debt and by federal government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services that taxpayers expect from their government."

oai.dtic.mil...

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Uhhh...Romney was collecting a pay check from Bain and CEO, therefore still responsible,...so your defense doesn't work. He was aware of the outsourcing, even visited the plantation slave factories.

I guess you never heard this video......

Anyone who thinks slave labor is a positive thing is creepy.....they are human predator, like sharks. Sharks are creepy and I surely wouldn't want to swim with one.

HIDDEN CAMERA: Mitt Romney Talks About

Outsourcing to China: Slave Labour Factory

"The Bain partner I was with turned to me and said, you know, 95% of life is settled if you are born in America. This is uh, his is an amazing land what we have is unique and fortunately it is so special we are sharing it with the world".

- Mitt Romney on Slave wages/workers