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Would you punish me for the sins of my brothers? If my countrymen offend you would you shoot me? If my allies disrespect you would you fight me?
Many wonder why democracy did not develop indigenously in the Muslim world and ask whether it can still develop today. The answer is that, so long as the Ash’arite (or Hanbalite) worldview is regnant, democratic development cannot succeed for the simple reason that this view posits the primacy of power over the primacy of reason. – Robert R. Reilly, The Closing of the Muslim Mind, pg. 128, ISI books
The primacy of reason, theologically and philosophically understood, is the prerequisite for democracy. Otherwise, what could serve as its legitimating source? Along with it must come metaphysical support for natural law, which provides the foundations not only for modern science but also for the development of constitutional government. Therein lies the source for the “laws of nature and of natures God,” on which constitutional edifices are built. The primacy of power in Sunni Islamic thought undermines a similar prospect. If one does not allow for the existence of secondary causes, one cannot develop natural law. If one cannot develop natural law, one cannot conceive of a constitutional political order in which man, through his reason, creates laws to govern himself and behave freely. – Robert R. Reilly, The Closing of the Muslim Mind, pg. 129, ISI books
Originally posted by LiberLegit
It's funny. Rule of thumb is that only "15-20%" of Muslims are radical. That's millions of people, seems like a big deal to me.
Originally posted by FreedomCommander
I'll take it into consideration that they are not responsible for what happened to Chris Stevens. It was some sicko's doing, and that same sicko is not of the people in any country.
Originally posted by Kamza
To the Muslims on this forum, how can you lower yourself and be so apolagetic in the face of such a crude, abhorrent and inciteful video aimed and undermining the Prophet of God?
I am not doubting the story of this demonstration in Libya but what I find absurd is that such a crude attempt at inciting hatred against Muslims and ridiculing the belief of almost a third of the population of the world goes almost without criticisim yet the backlash is immediately pounced upon as terrorist vigilantes...
It seems people have lost all sense of what it means to revere and respect something. Especially when that something is held in high regard by a large proportion of the global community. In Aleistair Crowley's satanic book the Thelema he writes "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law". Essentially meaning that do whatever you want and don't care about the repurcussions, don't care about who you offend, don't care what anyone thinks, as long as it feels good then 'just do it'.
Freedom today has been used too nonchanantl, giving people the 'justification' to do whatever they wish without any sense of what is right or wrong, good or bad. Was is not the U.S army that recently legalised beastiality? (that's sex with animals btw)...
This 'freedom' practised in many western and european countries is in complete agreement with satanism. Do what thou wilt is what it means to be a practising satanist and well this is how most the people are behaving most of the time. This crude video, clearly aimed at demeaning the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Islam, should be viewed as an abhorrent attemt to incite hatred and violence. Just because the Christians and Jews have lost all self-respect, does not mean that Muslim's should be looked down upon for sticking up for what they love most.
If someone ridiculed your mother or father in the worst of ways, would you simply say 'thanks for your opinion' or would you be a Man and give a harsh response and honour your parents? Now if you believe in the Prophet of God... that he came and struggled to pass on the truth to us... if you believed this wholeheartedly, would you not be offended if someone tried to ridicule him? If you are a Man of subtance then you would stick up for what you believe...
lol... I am orthodox Shi'ah Muslim.... am I unkind?
it helps to know people before you speak rather than reading books by western authors....They dont know our religion so well.
Originally posted by Swills
Here are some recent pictures from Libya about the recent terrorist attacks and murders. There are billions of Muslims and only a very small minority committed these attacks and they do not represent Islam and the people of Libya just wanted to remind you of that.
edit on 12-9-2012 by Swills because: (no reason given)
15 Photos Of Libyans Apologizing To Americans
19 More Photos Of Libyans Apologizing For American Deaths
Libyan Peace Rally Slams Terrorism, Offers Apology For Consulate Attack (PHOTOS)edit on Thu Sep 13 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: added links per OP request.
Originally posted by sylent6
Oh how I wish us American could hold up these signs saying..."We sorry for our behavior and our government behavior when they claim to fight the war on terror but instead, killing hundreds and thousand of people over the course of the years but yet, we say god bless america and bless our troops who gives their lives to sometimes, take lives of innocents. I'm sorry, that it takes the wrongdoing for another country's behavior to apologies for their enemies to do harms to an American Embassy, I am sorry that we support wars periods and cause destruction to others to make movies and video games for our own entertainment to mock in the faces of others. Instead of us always saying God only bless america, how about we start saying God bless the world, to someday we can end violence and call for peace and security.
Now I am wearing my inappropriate behavior word-proof vest. Fire away!
Originally posted by Maslo
It would help if instead of endless apologism and downplaying, moderate muslims would admit that islam has a big problem with extremism. Incidents like this do not happen in a vacuum. Extremism is often widespread in middle east, and what should we infer from statements like these?