Originally posted by maes2
reply to post by Deetermined
very nice for your tolerance.
still I can not understand why should Jesus speak about Paraclete so much times. Paraclete will come after it, Paraclete is another one like Jesus,
Paraclete will give testimony for Jesus, Paraclete will teach all things and so on ....
Here are the best verses I can come up with to describe the Holy Spirit, but I recommend a "keyword search" in Biblegateway.com of this word so it
will bring up every verse that includes it. It will help to gain an even better understanding.
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after
him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God, not a human individual. The Holy Spirit was revealed for the first time at the time Jesus was baptized in
Matthew 3. Jesus told them that it was the work of this spirit working on man's hearts that would lead them to the teachings of Jesus, not another
anyhow I leave these alone but still two other questions remain:
1-Moses says :The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. -Deuteronomy 18
Jesus is different from Moses especially the birth of Jesus was a miracle and he is from israiletes not their brothers.
Here are some verses from the Old Testament that told them exactly who the "Messiah" or prophet would be. Remember, the reason God sent them Jesus
was because they wanted someone they could see and speak to without the risk of dying. At that time, Moses was the only one capable of being near his
presence and hearing him speak without harm.
Here are the verses in the Old Testament that told us that Jesus was the one being sent to to fulfill that role:
2-He said: “The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran(mountains around Mecca). He came with
myriads(ten thousand) of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.-Deuteronomy 33:2
if we accept that Sinai refers to Moses and Seir refers to Jesus but what about the Mecca mountains ! especially if we consider that Muhammed entered
Mecca with it's ten thousand followers.
My understanding is that verse two is talking about all of the times that God appeared before Moses (in the form of fire, burning bush, etc.)
As for the "ten thousand holy ones", here are other verses in the Bible that tells us exactly who they were:
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have
been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.
I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions about what I've posted. I'll do the best I can to answer them from a Biblical standpoint.