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Originally posted by GreatOwl
But, masons do not worship.
Freemasonry requires a "belief" in a supreme being, but doesn't require you to "worship" that supreme being.
Freemasons only worship themselves. There's a "Worshipful Master"...
Originally posted by shamanix2012
This thread and its authors thought looping is boring me.
Clearly showing that Rashi understood that ha-satan was a minion of God, not a challenger.
Any way you present it ha-satan or Satan are not worthy of worship as they are not and never will be Supreme.
Clearly showing that Rashi understood that ha-satan was a minion of God, not a challenger.
The concept is much more than modified, it is wholly different. From a servant of God to a challenger of God. Both are not divine.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by TheMindWar
Who was not a recognized Mason and never had an impact in any way to Freemasonry.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by TheGreatDivider
He was a part of an irregular, unrecognized body of Freemasonry, but even in that Lodge never amounted to anything that impacted Freemasonry.
Originally posted by network dude
So each mason is free to practice his own religion, but you know for sure that they all change religions once joined and start jumping on the Satan bandwagon. This super secret information that only the high up 33rds know, you somehow know as well. I think you are an incarnation of Satan. That is the only way you could know this. BE GONE SATAN! SERPENT OF HELL! DEMON SPAWN!
And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. == KJV Revelation 9:6
Originally posted by GreatOwl
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by TheGreatDivider
He was a part of an irregular, unrecognized body of Freemasonry, but even in that Lodge never amounted to anything that impacted Freemasonry.
This is what I love about masonry. Whenever you point to a true mason who does things they don't want to publicly acknowledge as part of masonry, they call him "irregular". They can't deny that he's a mason, so they introduce a new term "irregular" to separate him out from the rest.
I wonder how many "irregulars" are masquerading around within "regular" masonry, that just haven't been "outed" as of yet?
When will the irregulars all come out of the closet?
Or, must he accept the moral instruction "from" Freemasons instead?
Once a mason, always a mason.
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
I only pointed out that the modified concept of the Christianized Satan is Jewish in origin.
I never said Satan was worthy of being worshiped. I said that the origin of these theological ideas and concepts are Jewish in origin.
The Sages believed that Satan was the guardian angel of Esau, and manifested himself as a sentient being that fought Jacob, not G-d.
No, it's modified according to Christian interpretation. They are linked concepts, different in nature, with the modified Christianized interpretation stemming originally from Jewish theology. Christianity just magnified the concept of Satan to a whole new level.
Originally posted by r2d246
You obviously don't want to hear any rational arguments from other people.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
I only pointed out that the modified concept of the Christianized Satan is Jewish in origin.
Again, there is no concept of Satan in the Hebrew Bible, ha-satan is a job, not a being. This is the reason why ha-satan is never capitilized.
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
Job 1:7 7 And HaShem said unto Satan: 'Whence comest thou?' Then Satan answered HaShem, and said: 'From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.'
How is a "job" walking around and going to and fro?
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
Job 1:7 7 And HaShem said unto Satan: 'Whence comest thou?' Then Satan answered HaShem, and said: 'From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.'
How is a "job" walking around and going to and fro?
Are you using the King Jimmy or some other crummy translation of the Old Testament? In Hebrew the word used is ha-satan, not Satan. Ha-satan in the Hebrew Bible is uncapitilized and means 'accuser' in the sense of a prosecutor, that is the job of this particular angel that answers to God.
Try going to the source material instead of relying on millenia of garbage that has been fluffed and reworded.
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
Remembering that the Holy Spirit is the greatest Teacher (John 16:12-15; I John 2:27), who taught you that the King James Bible was not infallible, the Holy Spirit or man?
Again, there is no concept of Satan in the Hebrew Bible, ha-satan is a job, not a being. This is the reason why ha-satan is never capitilized.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by SUBKONCIOUS
“When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.”
‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree.\
quotes.liberty-tree.ca...
way to shoot yourself in the foot there... I think you just lost a couple credential points...
Hey genius, did you bother to notice that Hall wrote that more than 30 years before he became a Mason? Thought not....
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
Nonsense. In the quote given about Jacob wresting with the Satan, Satan very much takes the guise of a sentient being. He takes the guise of a human being that wrestles with Jacob. I've already outlined this quite clearly in my quotes earlier from the Jewish Sages.
The term, "Satan", is even used in the Bedtime Shema which is said every night by Orthodox Jews:
"........Hashem (literally, "The Name", referring to the Lord) said to the Satan (Note: not "hasatan", but the "Satan", with a capital "S"), "Hashem shall denounce you, O Satan, and Hashem, who selects Jerusalem, shall denounce you again."........" (Art Scroll Siddur, Bedtime Shema)
So, are you trying to tell me that the millions of Orthodox Jews that recite this prayer nightly have no theological concept of Satan?
And, if, as you suggest, there is no concept of Satan in the Hebrew Bible, then why on earth do Orthodox Jews mention Satan in their night-time prayers every single night? Your logic does not follow.