posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 08:16 PM
I love that there are so many people here that are willing to debate on behalf of their Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.
I think this is revealing for many of the hearts here today. I'm surprised you all do not see this?
Look at the passion each has for their respective belief. What is true about each one of the people that love the Lord is that they are passionately
willing to debate what He has been trying to tell us.
But therein also lies the problem; Christians are now divided. The OP is correct. It is the pastors' fault.
But it is also the fault of the people who refuse to spend the same amount of time reading their Bibles and praying to God as the pastors' do writing
next week's sermon and calling people and figuring out the bills of the church building.
Each and every one of you; if you truly felt that what you had to say was regarding the life or death of the individual to whom you are speaking, then
why is it that you have forgot also to say, "I love you in the Lord Jesus Christ and I am so happy that you also love the Lord Jesus Christ!" But
instead I see that each is attempting to hold back some anger and using passive behavior with the mindset that each has it figured out better than the
other. This is incredibly ironic considering that most everyone is saying basically the same thing here.
Of course, in all things I am saying here, I am excluding anyone here who attempts to cause strife and argument by paying attention to those who
distort the teachings of God by respecting the person through whom the Spirit spoke; and also by those who have absolutely no say in the matter - but
they are only full of ignorance, and double that, because they attempt to make a statement instead of keep their mouths shut and listen.
Do not fall into the trap of arguing with people who purposefully distort. You know who they are when you see them. Whenever that spirit creeps into
you head that says, "Maybe they really are just that ignorant and need an explanation from you." I think it would be better to remember that they
have had just as much access to most of all of this information as you have had.
I myself have become a part of many denominations over the years. I might be one of the most experienced Christians here as far as going to each of
the denominations with a mind ONLY for the Lord and actually discerning who is good and who is not.
The OP is absolutely correct. NOTurtypical - While you are greatly appreciated, your understanding about the true state of the so-called and
self-proclaimed Christian church today is unfortunately limited. You can either take our word for it, which is honest and true; or you can get out
more and start seeing it and stop allowing your love for people become also a stumbling block. It is not loving of your fellow brothers and sisters
in the Lord Jesus Christ to turn a blind eye to their manipulations. It is good to be loving and forgiving; but it is wise to be discerning.
Remember how the Lord said that we should not lean unto our own understanding, but that we should trust in the Lord. If we cannot trust ourselves,
then how can we possibly trust everyone else? But only the Spirit of God can reveal to us who is trustworthy and who is not; because only God
searches the reins and the hearts of people. Flesh and blood is completely incapable of actually discerning what is truly in the heart of an
But He also said that we discern by the fruit, just as a poster mentioned earlier.
But do you think, NOTurtypical, that an abundance of fruit is more important than the quality of the fruit?
Or do you think that there really are over 2 billion Christians on this planet?
Didn't God say that the end of the world would be just as it was in the days of Noah? And how many were saved by God from the flood? Very few.
That being said, we should also be wise not to judge each other. For if we all are here indeed brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ, then we
are an exceptionally rare lot and we should hold DEAR to what we have; to meet someone else gifted with the Spirit of the Lord...!
Be careful of the legalism that some Christians teach. While it is good that we should obey the law, and yes also the Lord commands it, for He says
that we, His children, "have the testimony of Jesus Christ and obey the commandments of God". But also know that GOD knows.
Read this very carefully everyone, because it has become painfully obvious that you are all forgetting one important thing.
You do not need to justify yourselves to each other. When a brother or sister discourages you by attacking the fact that you have a vice or a problem
of sin instead of helping you (when you know your pain and conviction; which would not exist if sin were a life to you), then let them have their say.
But know that GOD KNOWS.
And brothers and sisters, do not be so harsh. (As a poster said, SDA). Your legalism can destroy souls. Pharisaical. Have Love