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Originally posted by sacgamer25
In many ways your link supports my point. People do not understand what Paul was writing. Everything is taken either out of context or simply misunderstood.
Peter agrees when he says this.
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by babloyi
Well, obviously it isn't just the words.
It is the conviction and intent behind them.
But, this is not explained. I have observed this on many occasions, in many different places on this Earth. As long as the person says it, they are saved.
Well, it IS explained, you just aren't looking hard enough. Have you ever heard of "Thou Shalt Not Lie"? Or "Thou Shalt Not Hold False Gods Before Me"? When you make that commitment and declaration, it is assuming that you mean it and it is what is truly in your heart; IE telling the truth. If you think you can utter some words and trick God into forgiving your sins, well, good luck with that.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jhill76
I don't think it's wise to use the exception to define the rule. You are lumping all preachers into a very small sub-set which is illogical.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
In many ways your link supports my point. People do not understand what Paul was writing. Everything is taken either out of context or simply misunderstood.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Entering through the gates of Heaven is not the gift. "Saved", in terms of something outside of us, that was done for us, was the works of Jesus as our savior, to create a way for us to be better persons than we could be otherwise, by Jesus vanquishing the hold that sin has on us, and to provide the way for the spirit from God to dwell in us to good works.
As for the once saved always saved doctrine, it's based on salvation not coming by anything we have done by works. That it is a gift of love free of merit that we did not deserve and could never earn and because we never merited salvation to begin with, it will not be taken away on our merits. A gift is not a gift if it comes with conditions, such as the conditional covenants God made with Israel prior to the second covenant.
What you are doing is parroting a distorted philosophy and not real understanding of the teachings of the Bible.edit on 11-9-2012 by jmdewey60 because: add Bible quote: "For the creation eagerly waits for the revelation of the sons of God." Romans 8:19
What you are doing is parroting a distorted philosophy and not real understanding of the teachings of the Bible.
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jhill76
I don't think it's wise to use the exception to define the rule. You are lumping all preachers into a very small sub-set which is illogical.
I have the ability to view this on a grand scale and it is not a small sub-set, but a much larger set than you know.
Originally posted by reaganero
The sinner on the cross next to Jesus had to mutter his belief and that was that. Ticket to Heaven.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by reaganero
The sinner on the cross next to Jesus had to mutter his belief and that was that. Ticket to Heaven.
It was fairly evident that he was actually sorry for what he'd done, and had a love for Christ in his heart -- I doubt the guy on the other side would have been saved, even if he'd mouthed the same words.
Originally posted by reaganero
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by reaganero
The sinner on the cross next to Jesus had to mutter his belief and that was that. Ticket to Heaven.
It was fairly evident that he was actually sorry for what he'd done, and had a love for Christ in his heart -- I doubt the guy on the other side would have been saved, even if he'd mouthed the same words.
Well I agree, but he didn't spend a lifetime proving his faith. He basically chose then and there to "believe".
So, if a little child, say 5 years old, "believes" and says those words and dies the next day same deal right?
1. On the time of the coming of the Lord:
Paul says:
Rom.13
[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.
Jesus says:
Luke.21
[8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,
saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them.
13. On your father:
Paul says:
1Cor.4
[15] For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Phlm.1
[10] I appeal to you for my child, Ones'imus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment.
Jesus says:
Matt.23
[9] And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.