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1. Before I comment, may I ask what your definition of the ' Trinitarian belief ' is?
Let me know when you find that.
IT IS IN THE NT! IT IS THE CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS CHRIST THAT IS THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD FOR OUR SINS!!!! JESUS DIED FOR US - IN OUR PLACE!!!!
reply to post by jmdewey60
What is dangerous is believing you can't possibly overcome your sinning.
I don't think so, and even if it did, you have taken it out of context to mean something completely different.
Is this what is meant by you saying you can't understand the NT without the OT?
Revelation is a book full of visions of symbols so this has to be understood as being said in a highly metaphorical way.
reply to post by jmdewey60
it's just a lot of verses that can be interpreted different ways and you present no actual argument for me to refute.
As for the rest of your postings, it's just a lot of verses that can be interpreted different ways and you present no actual argument for me to refute.
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You seem to be under some sort of cult indoctrination induced delusion that all Christianity believes like you, that there is no trinity and God and Jesus are the same person.
but I do not take this....and I would offer....apparently happened....and I assume.....So I don't see how.....I guess.....I'm sure that already happened,....could have been.....conceivably......apparently....I don't think....I naturally assumed....probably.....which in my thinking.....Probably.....I don't think so.....
All you are doing is parroting your cult programming.
What is dangerous is believing that you can! The Bible says that without Jesus our sins are not overcome. If Jesus didn't die on the cross in our place, then we would still be under the penalty of sin and doomed.
"The Bible says" what? Have you ever looked that up and read it in context? Since you don't even quote it correctly, I have to assume the answer is, No.
The Bible says that we are sinners "in the womb".
More parroting your cult programming.
We are born into sin because of Adam.
ditto
This is a result of the sin imputed to us through Adam.
"this statement" is me saying, "I don't think so, and even if it did, you have taken it out of context to mean something completely different. "
Please provide Biblical proof to support this statement.
None of those things listed have anything to do with who Jesus is. Do you think no one could figure out that there is evil in the world without the OT?
. . . without the COMPLETE scriptures you have a very distorted and incomplete and corrupted viewpoint of who Jesus Christ really is
I never said I don't know the OT. I was saying the OT tells us very little about Jesus coming and almost nothing about what he would be like as a person.
The reason that you can't understand the book of Revelation is because you need to know the Old Testament.
Knowing where some of the language in Revelation comes from does not change the metaphorical nature of the writing.
The vast majority of 'symbols and visions' are explained, established and confirmed in the OT. Without a sound knowledge of these insights, then Revelation becomes 'highly metaphorical'
I would say that is not true, other than there is language in the OT that is carried into the NT. You can not take the NT backwards to interpret the OT. To think so is not based on good scholarship and is another example of something that only works in your cult's imaginary world.
This is another simple example of how, firstly, the Old testament is revealed in the New, and the New is concealed in the Old.
One in purpose. What you need to do is to learn how to read the Bible in Greek and you can see how the words are used in different ways that are not noticed when reading the English translation. If the writer of John meant to say that they were the same person he would have worded it differently than the way we find it in the text.
"I and My Father are one.”
The angel of Sinai who spoke to Moses, when asked what to tell the people by whose authority he was speaking, told Moses the I Am said so. This angel said he was in the past the same person who represented God to his ancestors by different names, but now he should just be referred to as the I Am.
John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
It should be rather obvious what is meant here, that the hope is of the appearing of God's glory, where that is a thing itself, and or hope, Jesus our savior, as the essential person to preside over this status of "God's great glory".
Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
You are promoting a theory on the nature of God that is considered to be heretical in that it does not conform with the recognized orthodox view on the Trinity.
. . . you claim to be the 'real Christian' and I heretical?
"My opinions" happen to not my own, or ones peculiar to a particular cult, but what is universal in the historic version of Christianity. What you are supporting is an innovation that operates as a virtual cult that spreads itself across denominational lines to subvert Christianity by introducing gross errors to support the Synagogue of Satan.
You still have completely failed to provide any Biblical proof whatsoever to support anything that you say.
To claim that "As for the rest of your postings, it's just a lot of verses that can be interpreted different ways..."
is a weak, generic, defenseless statement thrown out to avoid the fact that you CAN NOT BACK UP YOUR OPINIONS WITH ANY SOUND DOCTRINE WHATSOEVER!
So is this the name of your cult, basic (TRUE) Christianity?
You argue AGAINST the basic Christian doctrine . . .
What you quoted me as saying represents the output of a free thinker.
Please refer to the provided link - it explains exactly what I believe, and what basic (TRUE) Christianity believes.
What Christians Should Believe
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but I do not take this....and I would offer....apparently happened....and I assume.....So I don't see how.....I guess.....I'm sure that already happened,....could have been.....conceivably......apparently....I don't think....I naturally assumed....probably.....which in my thinking.....Probably.....I don't think so.....
reply to post by jmdewey60
"The Bible says" what? Have you ever looked that up and read it in context? Since you don't even quote it correctly, I have to assume the answer is, No.
Do you think no one could figure out that there is evil in the world without the OT?
I was saying the OT tells us very little about Jesus coming
If the writer of John meant to say that they were the same person he would have worded it differently than the way we find it in the text.
"IT IS IN THE NT! IT IS THE CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS CHRIST THAT IS THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD FOR OUR SINS!!!! JESUS DIED FOR US - IN OUR PLACE!!!!"
Let me know when you find that.
reply to post by jmdewey60
We are born into sin because of Adam.
More parroting your cult programming.
This is a result of the sin imputed to us through Adam.
ditto
What you quoted me as saying represents the output of a free thinker.
"My opinions" happen to not my own,
good works or living a good life won't get you into heaven.
Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another (John 13:34).
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you (Luke 6:27-28).
Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse (Romans 12:14).
We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it (1 Corinthians 4:12).
Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good (Romans 12:17-21).
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing (1 Peter 3:9).
Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble (1 John 2:9-10).
Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Yes but it was intended as something the hearer should ponder but not to throw at people in condemnation, which defeats the purpose.
Doesn't Jesus say something about planks in peoples eye?
Do you understand that Paul was a rhetorician? You act like you are in some sort of bubble. The Greeks had a very well defined sense of sin.
So without the revelation of sin, we would not know about sin at all.
OK, let's look at one of those.
There are over 300 prophecies about the coming of the Messiah (Jesus). In the link provided it discusses 68 that were fulfilled exactly by Jesus Christ.
Seriously, this little cultish bubble you live in is not doing you any good. I hope you realize there is a tremendous amount of good scholarly work happening on an academic level in the study of the Bible and you should attempt to expose yourself to some of it rather than feeding yourself on the fodder your cult hands you to keep you in the world the inventor of your cult lived in two hundred years ago.
I am amazed that you presume to know how the author would have wanted to word his writings 1900 (approx) years ago!
None of which says Jesus died in our place. That is just a cult slogan repeated enough times to where you imagine it says that but can't quite put your finger on it.
To list a few. But I am sure that I have misinterpreted all of these verses as well!
Here we go again with "the Bible says". Did you ever look up the verse and read it in context. Your cult promotes this idea that there is no such thing as righteousness, but that very verse you are citing proves it wrong, if you ever were to go beyond the cult slogan and actually read the Bible.
The Bible says that mans righteousness " is that of filthy rags
This doesn't really support those claims. Sin is imputed after we sin, not before.
We are born into sin because of Adam.
More parroting your cult programming.
This is a result of the sin imputed to us through Adam.
ditto
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
In my Gospel Jesus says, "Go and sin no more." What does your Gospel say?
What I am quoting from you is a false gospel.
You quote a lot of verses without explaining anything. Seeing how I am on this forum, I am obviously on the internet and have access to Bible web sites where I can look up verses. Now how are you adding to anything by taking up a lot of space on what is supposed to be a discussion forum, if you can't take those verses and make a persuasive argument from them to make your point?
If you can't or won't use Scripture to explain the gospel, then you are not speaking the words of GOD.
You seem to be too thin skinned to be good material for a Christian. How do you expect to pick up your cross if you can't take a little theological criticism from a Christian?
In none of your comments have you displayed any love or compassion at all. You have been harsh, aggressive, hurtful and hateful. You have been an accuser throughout your entire posts.
Who do the Scriptures say is the accuser?