"The Bible says" what? Have you ever looked that up and read it in context? Since you don't even quote it correctly, I have to assume the answer
is, No.
reply to post by jmdewey60
My apologies for not quoting it word for word. I will amend my error now;
Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Psalm 58:3 Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.
I may not quote it word for word (as I am unable to memorize every word written in the Scriptures) - but you still haven't quoted it at all. Doesn't
Jesus say something about planks in peoples eye?
Do you think no one could figure out that there is evil in the world without the OT?
Actually, that is exactly right. The Scriptures state that the purpose of the Law (the Old Testament) was to reveal sin. So without the revelation of
sin, we would not know about sin at all.
In the original beginnings, Adam and eve knew no sin and there was no law. Then GOD decreed 1 law, "Thou shalt not eat of the fruit of tree of
knowledge...." and sin was revealed because the law was introduced.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound.
I was saying the OT tells us very little about Jesus coming
There are over 300 prophecies about the coming of the Messiah (Jesus). In the link provided it discusses 68 that were fulfilled exactly by Jesus
Christ.
Prophecies fulfilled by Jesus Christ
"One analysis of the Biblical Text has catalogued 8,362 predictive verses which include 1,817 specific predictions on 737 separate matters. Over 300
of these specify, with astonishing precision - centuries in advance - the details of His (Jesus Christ) genealogy, His birth, His ministry, and His
sacrificial death....."
Chuck Missler - Cosmic Codes.
Please look at the provided links;
Jesus in the Old Testament
The Old Testament
If the writer of John meant to say that they were the same person he would have worded it differently than the way we find it in the text.
I am amazed that you presume to know how the author would have wanted to word his writings 1900 (approx) years ago!
"IT IS IN THE NT! IT IS THE CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS CHRIST THAT IS THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD FOR OUR SINS!!!! JESUS DIED FOR US - IN OUR PLACE!!!!"
Let me know when you find that.
Col 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:20 And,
having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they
be] things in earth, or things in heaven.
2Cr 5:15
And [that] he died for all,
2Cr 5:18 And all things [are] of God,
who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of
reconciliation;
2Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the
word of reconciliation.
1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his
life.
Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
To list a few. But I am sure that I have misinterpreted all of these verses as well!
Let me ask you this. If people can get to heaven "by stopping their sinning" as you have previously posted, why then did Jesus have to die? If
people could do it themselves, why the need for the sacrificial murder of Jesus?
You are denying the work and achievement of the cross!
Please explain to me the meaning of Jesus' words, " It is finished." if we then have to ' work ' for our salvation.
The 'good works' that the gospel speaks about are the fruits of the spirit - not mans good deeds.
The Bible says that mans righteousness " is that of filthy rags
