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I am pretty sure that the return happened in 1948.
The promises given to the Nation of Israel will not be fulfilled until they acknowledge Jesus Christ as their Messiah. WHICH HAS NOT YET COME TO PASS!!!!
Gill, who you quoted, and I assume is one of the "respected Bible scholars" you are referring to, spells it out in his commentary, that it is the Israel/the church that signals the time of grace, that fulfills this prophecy.
1At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.
At the same time, saith the Lord,.... The time of the Messiah, the Gospel dispensation, the latter days; when the Jews shall consider the prophecies of the Old Testament, and observe how they have been fulfilled in Jesus; and shall reflect upon their disbelief and rejection of him; and shall turn unto him, and serve the Lord their God, and David their king; see Jeremiah 30:9;
will I be the God of all the families of Israel; not of some few persons only, or of one of a city, and two of a family, but of every family; and this will be when "all Israel" shall be converted and saved, and a nation shall be born at once; then will God show himself to them as their covenant God, manifest his love to them, and bestow the blessings of his grace upon them:
and they shall be my people; behave as such to him; own him to be their God, and serve and worship him.
The events of 1948 had no Messiah, or overt sign of the hand of The Lord, but instead, shows evidence of specific people who had been planning and implementing this plan, for decades within Zionist organizations, all of which is well documented.
reply to post by autowrench
but I do not believe in the Codes.
The same things were found in looking at War and Peace, and other works. It is random, and not a real code.
I really didn't think anyone would still pull the the argument of fulfilled prophecies in the Bible, most of which were written after the fact. We have no absolutely no basis to assume that all the events described in the Bible ever occurred in actual history.
It was the Roman Catholic Church that demanded that all scripture was to be taken literally, or one would be burned alive at the stake.
An invented historical Jesus Christ on Earth was invented by the Catholic Church
Historicity of Jesus
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the existence of Jesus as a historical figure. For the historical reconstructions of the life of Jesus, see Historical Jesus. For the view that Jesus may be a mythical figure, see Christ myth theory.
The historicity of Jesus refers to the analysis of historical data to determine if Jesus existed as a historical figure, approximately where and when he lived, and if any of the major milestones in his life, such as his method of death, can be confirmed as historical events.[1][2][3] In contrast, the study of the historical Jesus goes beyond the question of his historicity and attempts to reconstruct portraits of his life and teachings, based on methods such as biblical criticism of gospel texts and the history of first century Judea.[3][4]
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.[5][6][7][8][9][10] Scholars generally agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born BC 7–2 and died AD 30–36.[11][12] Most scholars hold that Jesus lived in Galilee and Judea[13][14][15] and that he spoke Aramaic and may have also spoken Hebrew and Greek.[16][17][18][19][20] Although scholars differ on the reconstruction of the specific episodes of the life of Jesus, the two events whose historicity is subject to "almost universal assent" are that he was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.[21][22][23][24]
Being a forum troll is what substitutes for a job with me right now, that and doing 2 hr. podcasts six days a week.
Unfortunately, work gets in the way of life WAY too often!
That is not a real argument and is something that would only be good for fodder for those who have already fallen for the delusion of the "Modern Israel" myth being perpetrated on the world today.
So you don't believe that GOD is sovereign? You don't trust that GOD is working things out for the good of those that love Him?
I'm sure that already happened, and you can see one example in Lebanon which until recent times was Christian and could have been populated by descendants of ancient Israel, conceivably.
Has that happened yet? DO Jewish people recognise that Jesus is the Messiah? Have they turned from the keeping of the law and accepted Christ as the fulfilment of the law?
NO not yet.
But they WILL !
reply to post by jmdewey60
That already happened, as explained by Paul in Romans 11.
I guess according to your fantasy version of logic, Hitler was the true Messiah because it forced the world to accept his solution to the "Jewish Problem" by shipping them all off to Palestine (which he was actually doing but was being thwarted by the British).
I'm sure that already happened, and you can see one example in Lebanon which until recent times was Christian and could have been populated by descendants of ancient Israel, conceivably.
You seem to me to have fallen into the trap that has been set for the unwary who are ready to deny Jesus (true spirituality) in favor of a material thing they can touch and feel, which is idolatry.
What "biblical facts"?
You are making personal assumptions, unsupported by Biblical facts.
reply to post by jmdewey60
Look, you are the one who is pointing out this verse that says 'until the gentiles achieve a fullness', so when does this happen?
Some time after Paul wrote it, apparently, but how much later?
You are saying "some time", so how does the Bible tell us that "time" has already been reached if there are new books not being added that describe such a thing?
So what Paul is describing has already taken place. There was already at the time of Paul's writing many within Judaism who had already accepted Jesus, as he describes in his analogy to what God told Elijah, about those were kept as true followers of God in the Israel of that distant time.
The Bible doesn't tell us that "time" has already been reached at all. It merely says "until" as in Romans 11:25 - inferring that is still a process happening - not yet complete.
reply to post by jmdewey60
All you are doing is taking away glory from Jesus and God, and giving it to men.
reply to post by jmdewey60
There is no way you can make that claim with any credibility.
All you can say is that at the moment Paul wrote that in Romans, it was not complete yet.
The process had already begun, as explained by the biblical reference to Elijah and the Lord telling him there were those in Israel who had not given worship to Baal.
What you have in reality is people who wrote a book. They were (the elites of this group) stuck in Babylon after being deported there from Canaan. So they wrote about a mythical character, Abraham, who came out of a similar place and called it Ur of the Chaldees. Something they could relate to, being in a similar situation. The returnees wanted an assurance that they could return, and once there, claim ownership over the land that obviously would have been taken by people filling in the void from their own departure. So they made a story where a deity-type character revealed to Abraham that He was the divine sovereign over that particular region and that He had decided to give it to his heirs (meaning the very people writing this book).
May I ask how am I doing this? When I am highlighting the abundant grace and mercy that GOD has shown throughout the ages with His chosen people?
The scriptures are the inspired words of the Creator of all things, and by them, He is made known to us - His character, His nature and His love.
reply to post by jmdewey60
You are committing the sin of idolatry,
Not the Old Testament, which is about: genocide, offensive warfare, murder, stealing, looting and taking other people's land.
. . . encourage you to research the Biblical . . .
reply to post by jmdewey60
What you were doing earlier was placing a book before Jesus as being the ultimate expression of God's character.
What you just presented now is how in New Testament times people saw things in Jesus and his life that corresponded with mentions of things in the Old Testament. So you are making an argument for something not brought up in the discussion.
So you are making an argument for something not brought up in the discussion.
Or are you saying that the book should be worshiped, seeing how people held it in regard as an authoritative work back then?