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Originally posted by gguyx
reply to post by The GUT
As for cleaning up the mess which you characterize as sweeping the floor, it's more like opening the door to a room stuffed to the ceiling with garbage -- a job best reserved for those so inclined to tackle it. Flooding the field with a load of bs is just another distraction from keeping my eye on the ball and is a well known method of disinformation. Especially when a few grains of truth are mixed in with the junk.
After reading this thread and most of the links, I feel I've sample enough of this topic to know that it's not me. I do wish you good fortune in your Herculean endeavor; we do live in interesting times.
What the Double-Cross experts had invented was the practical political applications of the Strange Loop. In logic or cybernetics, a Strange Loop is a set of propositions that, while valid at each point, is so constructed that it leads to an unresolvable paradox. The Double-Cross people drove the Germans bonkers by inventing disinformation systems that, if believed, were deceptive, but if doubted led to a second disinformation system. They enjoyed this work so much that, at times, they invented Triple Loops...
These Strange Loops functioned especially well because the Double-Cross experts had early on fed the Germans the primordial Strange Loop. "Most of your agents are working for us and feeding your Strange Loops."
Many German agents, it later turned out, had managed to collect quite a bit of accurate information about the Normandy invasion, but many others turned in equally plausible information about a fictitious Norwegian invasion; and all of them were under suspicion, anyway. German Intelligence might as well have made its decisions by tossing a coin in the air."
--Robert Anton Wilson
I was self taught on a lot of weapons yet at the time I knew about everything I could know about USA and com bloc weapons. I was trained by the notorious Frank Camper at the Recondo School in Alabama and did a bunch of things I could right a book about.
“The whole subject,” Jim says in wonderfully measured speech, “is composed of three components: delusion, sociological groupthink, and a kernel of truth.” Jim then reminds that he is first and foremost a medical scientist. “My interest in this subject is much, much more professional than it is personal. That is, 90 to 95% of all persons who are engaged fully with this [UFO] subject are psychiatrically ill, and by that I mean that they are on medication or should be.” Jim elaborates that “viral memes,”[see below] in which disturbed people seek validation in numbers on the web, is, or should be, a growing public health concern. That said, Jim nonetheless has a real interest in UFO’s, and seemingly with good reason.
Both Tom and Jim seem to share at least one rationale for their internet excursions: studying the frightening potential of “viral internet memes.”
Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
iAnyway I told this long story just to point out that there are strange conspiracy connections and I think the final solution is that these things can't be solved - that the TRUTH is something that is not a word or a vision -- not a deductive solution -- but rather something logically inferred that can not be known symbolically. O.K. so philosophy of science professor Karl Popper got into this with his quantum consciousness model of reality based on Keper and Schrodinger use of resonance.
I suggest that if this is to have an "Oh, my God!" type of impact that it must be related to Capital R Reality and that certain parties have discovered that it is different enough from what we think that it would cause some serious consternation. My guess is that it will turn the above on its head to the point that the atheists will be forced to admit they are not only not the smartest guys in the Universe, but that they have been seriously stupid to the point that their worldview will be completely and utterly shattered...
...Now just what if the Laws of Physics as we know them are as relevant as the Classical world of Newtonian Mechanics, but superseded by something even more dramatic? What if these crashed saucers and beings have pointed out that the Other Side, the side where our dead relatives reside, is Reality, and that you can get there through technology, or through advanced mental techniques, and that there is commerce, of a sort, between these realms? What if THAT’S where the answer to FTL travel resides, where String Theory and branes are resolved, and where the purpose of our lives is actually revealed?
Hmm. So Werner von Braun personally made his career -- definitely makes you wonder what those high-tech military projects were
He arrived at this point after a fairly unusual background that includes working on high-tech military projects in two military services, obtaining a doctorate in sociology with a strong emphasis in cultural anthropology, and pursuing a long-standing interest in futures studies.
If the guy down the hall seems to be doing something strange, I would say you have an ethical obligation to find out. And, more than that, call in the University and ultimately the FBI if you can’t satisfy yourself that nothing bad is going on. We think a public pronouncement that yes, whistle-blowing is commendable would immediately make terrorist projects riskier.
f) Radiation. Finally, high-power emitters of fairly penetrating radiation, possibly x-rays or electrons from thermionic emitters, can be used to destroy all large molecularly structured systems within a large volume. Radiation can be tuned to minimize interaction with organic tissue, particularly with key tissues such as the nervous system, but basically this proposal relies on nanomedical systems that can be rapidly deployed to repair nanoscale damage before it brings about larger scale and more complex forms of damage. This proposal may work well with (b), enabling organisms to be sterilized while they enter quarantined compartments. Other methods of sterilization include the use of nanomachines to remove all molecules from an organism’s body that are not pre-characterized as “normal”.
Originally posted by The GUT
Of course, schuyler, you know that gives you something in common with Greer right! He, of course, believes they're some kind of extradimensional entities and that mankind possesses innate powers beyond comprehension.
Originally posted by The GUT
Does a scenario of biblical proportions loom in their minds? May not be so far-fetched.