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Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
I finally found your other thread which fills a lot of gaps in this thread
Electric Ufos: Fireballs, Electromagnetics and Abnormal States [Paperback] Albert Budden (Author)
Total new one for me -- maybe referenced by Nick Redfern and I missed it.
This happens to be the same year I saw the equilateral triangle flying craft up close also 1997.
I could have hit the craft with a rock!
So notice how your two threads don't have any "true believers" trying to convince you that John Alexander and Kit Green are real legitimate well meaning ufologists? Unless, of course, you consider Springer, the ATS mod/owner or whatever, stating that Kit Green had good intentions or whatever. In other words is this your goal -- to get ATS as a website to finally admit that this UFO disinfo is real and that e.t. aliens are not flying nuts and bolts crafts, etc.?
So Greg Bishop says he thinks that there needs to be a focus on quantum physics to really get at the origin of the UFO anomalies.
But. If the GUT is accurate with his (pretty airtight) connect-the-dots act here, then you guys intentionally inoculated a group of vulnerable civilians with a pathogenic (by your own definition) meme for experimental purposes. Dr. Green? That's not OK.
Later a local journalist gave me articles424 from the previous ufo flap in our area in 1978 which accompanied cattle mutilation, causing an afraid rancher to move out, and one lady, after she underwent hypnosis, claimed to have been abducted in the ufo craft. The journalist told me that we live in a military flight test corridor. This makes sense since I've regularly seen military jets flying in our area. I looked on the MN MUFON database and there had been similar big black triangle sightings in my area around the same time – in the late 1990s. One sighting saw the craft take off at tremendous speed. I saw the three lights on each corner of the craft – a perfect equilateral triangle with no fuselage – and then a light in the center of the craft. The triangle made a humming noise but I knew it wasn’t a blimp.
Cliff Buchan, “Seen By More Than 50: UFO reports capture Scandia Area,” Forest Lake Times, March 30, 1978. “Witnesses described the object as a hovering ‘shadowy mass,’ 100 to 300 feet off the ground, as big as a ‘battleship or a 747 aircraft.” Jim Broede, “Copter pilot denies UFO sightings link to flight,” St. Paul Pioneer Press. “There were supposed to be red orbs of lights in a horizontal, V-shaped formation,”…”There were some reports of a humming noise…” “I have investigated at least 12 sightings there in the past three years, “… “Some of the cases were pretty bizarre. A housewife told us under hypnotic regression that while driving through the Carlos Avery Wildlife Refuge in January 1976, she was abducted by ‘a presence’ and remained in a UFO for about an hour.” Jim Broede, “UFO reports investigated” St. Paul Pioneer Press. “Council: UFO wasn’t helicopters,” by Jim Nagel, St. Paul Dispatch, April 25, 1978: “It had 14 or 16 yellow lights, about equal distance on either side of a center red light….The red light would dim and then get brighter, but it never went out completely…The object, whatever it was, made no noise, Werdouschegg said. It moved too slowly for a jet….” And “Sometimes they said it appeared to be almost still, then it moved jerkily and bobbed around, moving instantly from one spot to another.”
If the Freemasons were among the earliest advocates of industrialization, perhaps their most lasting and important, and heretofore unexamined, role was as midwives in the birth of the latest incarnation of spiritual men, the engineer. For engineering emerged as much out of Masonry as it did out of the military (indeed, the military itself was rife with Masonry).
Originally posted by Xoanon
Yes, that is what they are trying to do, make people that they have identified as being psychiatrically ill sicker, so that they may observe the result and the effect on society.
And that really isn't OK.
I think The Aviary might be more appropriately named, Team Mengele.
You know, if Mr. Mask were around, he could totally draw that.
The only developments with any importance to come of that shift has been our science, technology, and art, all of which seem destined to work together to enable increased replications of benignant memes.
Acting on gut instinct and an educated guess, we did some additional research (cf: "CIA-Initiated Remote Viewing Program at Stanford Research Institute" by Dr. Hal Puthoff, SSE's Journal, Vol. 10, No. 1, p. 72) and were able to confirm to our satisfaction that the primary subject of these excerpts - the mysterious and elusive "Richard Kennett" - is none other than our Aviarian friend Blue Jay, Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green, MD, Ph.D; Chief, Biomedical Sciences Department, General Motors, former head of the CIA's UFO files at the "Weird Desk."
To guard against any conceivable interpretive dissonance, our Martian Brethren have advised us to colour the name "Kennett" green to insure that our readers do not forget that Dr. Green is the one being referred to via the pseudonym "Richard Kennett."
We thought it was a pretty cool idea too. And in case there is any doubt, though we may disagree with much of what goes on in the halls of the building where Dr. Green used to show up for work, we nevertheless maintain a high degreeø of respect for him and salute his courage here in breaking free of the narrow-minded and antiquated constraints of Club Science© to present us with these intriguing and vastly insightful interstitially-aware perspectives.
Couple all this with the fact that there remains, in our carefully considered opinion, little difference between the occult exploits of today's military/intelligence community for the short-sighted purpose of gaining military superiority and the previous workings of the English scholar Dr. John Dee - a mathematician, cartographer, astronomer, astrologer and espionage agent of Queen Elizabeth I, ca. 1582-1589, who conducted a series of ritual communications with a set of discarnate entities which eventually came to be known as the Enochian angels - who intended to advance the expansionist policies of his sovereign Queen, hoping to control the hostile potentates of Europe by commanding the tutelary spirits of it's various nations.
Then as now, it appears quite evident that there is an immense albeit tactically camouflaged war in process where the forces of light struggle,
"not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places."
edit on 10-9-2012 by The GUT because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Xoanon
In other words, don't allow anyone to suggest what they must study, but by sheer force of collective brain power dictate what will be studied. Kind of like, "We are doing this, if you want to find out what it is, give us a call".
Maybe it started like that, who knows how it got where it is today.
Are they really related in any meaningful way, or have they been assigned to this bucket by outsiders fond of naming people after birds? Wasn’t it Moore who started this for HIS convenience? The Aviary is not a CIA plot; it’s a journalistic convenience.
Originally posted by schuyler
It seems to me we are mixing our metaphors here. On the one hand we have practical issues. Who are these Aviary people? Are they really related in any meaningful way, or have they been assigned to this bucket by outsiders fond of naming people after birds?
And just what do we mean when we say someone “has ties” to someone else or some place or project?...Plus, my father was a member of “The Greeters,” a hotel group which had many Masons among that body, so we have obvious ties back to the Illuminati.
You can weave a conspiracy out of anything, or even out of nothing, and that’s where we need to take a step back and ask, what are we really trying to accomplish here?…
…Beyond this we are really groping about in the dark and, I think, making up stories like the Shadow Government.
Now add in the religious stuff, “ties” to Scientology, ties to the Masons, the Vatican, the Secret Brotherhood, the Illuminati, Crowley, the CIA, NSA, DIA, NIS, AFOSI, and (Ta Da!) The United States Navy! and we have huge buffet of initials from which to pick and choose. And once you throw a belief system in the mix, “ties” to God, Jesus, or the Holy Ark, you may as well pack up shop and go home.
I think this is a real problem. We’re not proceeding systematically, certifying our “ties” as ironclad and, very importantly, actually relevant to the issue. Instead, like Luther, we’re nailing our theses to the wall to see what might stick.
Speaking of which, who is this GUT fellow, anyway? That’s a strange moniker. Is it religiously significant on his home planet, do you think? Now we all have “ties” to him. Is this thread a honey pot? Are we all now on the visitation list?
I surely hope so.