The Men In Black(OPs) The Aviary & UFOs

This thread will attempt to collate a wide-range of operations, and operatives, that have, and continue, to make an impact on ufology in the course of their official work. Further, we will look at the evidence for that assertion and the impact and ramifications of what that might mean, should we find it to be true.

The first installment with deal with the so-called Aviary, one alleged member in particular, but this thread intends to cover a much broader spectrum than that group alone.

There's basically 4 lines of thought about what the Aviary has been up to especially in regards to MJ12 and it's spinoff: Serpo.

Those 4 lines of thought go something like this:

1.) They are UFO believers who in their high-clearance careers have heard rumors and have subsequently tried to determine for themselves what the government is hiding in regards to UFOs.

2.) They know the truth and are attempting, out of goodwill, or as part of official disclosure, to get the info out to the public.

3.) They are involved in ufological deception for their own murky purposes apart from any intelligence agency directives.

4.) They are tied to the hip with intelligence factions and their prime directive(s) include ufological deception.

Firstly, lets look at Dr. Green and see if his background and current activities can shed any light on the questions above.

Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green

Dr Christopher C Green is a very fascinating man, as some of you know. Officially with the CIA from 1969 to 1985 he quickly moved up the ranks to a position of Senior Division Analyst of the Office of Scientific and Weapons Intelligence--reporting directly to the CIA director himself. (Keep that position in mind as it will have bearing on this thesis as we move forward in regards to his current activities.)


Dr. Green is also the recipient of the the President's National Intelligence Medal for his work on a classified project during the years 1979-1983. It's my assertion that he has a lot invested in toeing the line in his government service, and with that in mind lets look at some of his more recent activities.

He's currently, according to the Wayne University page found here, a member of faculty and also involved in some very interesting projects that suggest "once a company man, always a company man," or maybe to be more fair, "once a patriot, always a patriot."

We'll see how that pans out, but what I'd like you to consider is, if it's more likely that Dr. Green would buck the system and act independently of the intelligence apparatus, or if it's more likely that he is is now & forever a "company man."

Dr. Christoper C. "Kit" Green sits on and chairs various boards that keep a close eye on events and advances in the neurophysiological sciences that have national security implications.

These studies have a particular emphasis on techniques being developed outside of U.S. oversight. Now, who would be most interested in keeping tabs on such research? Why the intelligence community of course.

And we know where the funding for such ventures almost inevitably comes, right?

Below are quotes from two different, but related, projects that Dr. Green is significantly involved in. The links to the reports themselves make for some fascinating--if somewhat scary at times--reading.

Emerging Cognitive Neuroscience and Related Technologies, from the National Research Council, identifies and explores several specific research areas that have implications for U.S. national security, and should therefore be monitored consistently by the intelligence community. These areas include:

1. neurophysiological advances in detecting and measuring indicators of psychological states and intentions of individuals

2. the development of drugs or technologies that can alter human physical or cognitive abilities

3. advances in real-time brain imaging

4. breakthroughs in high-performance computing and neuronal modeling that could allow researchers to develop systems which mimic functions of the human brain, particularly the ability to organize disparate forms of data.
As these fields continue to grow, it will be imperative that the intelligence community be able to identify scientific advances relevant to national security when they occur. To do so will require adequate funding, intelligence analysts with advanced training in science and technology, and increased collaboration with the scientific community, particularly academia.

A key tool for the intelligence community, this book will also be a useful resource for the health industry, the military, and others with a vested interest in technologies such as brain imaging and cognitive or physical enhancers.

Appendix F from the same report above:



True and False Memories as an Illustrative Case of the Difficulty of Developing Accurate and Practical Neurophysiological Indexes of Psychological States

An important issue for cognitive neuroscientists concerns efforts to determine whether a person is reporting a true experience or one that is false but believed. In the last decade, there have been innumerable research efforts designed to distinguish true from false memories. Earlier work examining behavioral differences between true and false memories revealed that group differences were sometimes found (for example, more sensory details in true-memory reports) (Schooler et al., 1986). However, the statistical group differences did not enable reliable classification of any particular memory report as to its authenticity...

The military application of neuroscience research - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

Several of the cognitive science applications that have the most enormous ethical implication (as described by Huang and Kosal) contain advances that are being made even faster than publicly thought. These advances do not include lie detection technology, whose potential to invade the privacy of individuals is an unrealistic scientific possibility (I'm waiting for a theory of mind to be developed first!). They do include an approach to near-real-time, multimodal cognitive measurements to "watch people think" while under stress (an achievable goal scientifically) not under duress (an unachievable goal scientifically).

Not all of the "good" research will be done exclusively in the West--at least not before 2015. The results of this work will make sick people well and soldiers safer, but the technologies will not exclusively follow Western views on ethical questions, such as human stem-cell research, research on willing prisoners, and work on human-animal chimeras…

Two side questions: What is going to happen in 2015 and how close are scientists, somewhere, to "human-animal chimeras?" And the BIG question: Would it be likely that Dr. Green would act as a "rogue," or do his history, loyalties, research, and funding prospects suggest that his ufological activities are for "the company?"

We're certainly treading in murky--purposely murky--waters here. And while I don't profess to have all the reasons the intelligence apparatus might involve itself in disinformation as it relates to ufology, I do think we can find find a breadcrumb on the trail here and there.

One of these breadcrumbs might be found in Appendix F of the Emerging Cognitive Neuroscience and Related Technologies paper, from the National Research Council report that we looked at above. Let's look again at one quote from that report:

…An important issue for cognitive neuroscientists concerns efforts to determine whether a person is reporting a true experience or one that is false but believed. In the last decade, there have been innumerable research efforts designed to distinguish true from false memories...

That particular item will have more bearing later when we look at Dr. Green's association with Col. John B. Alexander and his government activities, but for now we'll just make the general observation that studies like these have implications for psyop applications.
Col. John B. Alexander & Bruce Maccabee

Psychological Warfare Insignia

In the next post we're going to look at a statement made by Kit Green to Mark Pilkington for his excellent and highly recommended book Mirage Men.

In that statement Dr. Green seems to still be spinning the same ol' saucer. But for now let's remember the MJ-12 (and Serpo) stories and where the "core" of those ideas first show up:

The story that Moore would be feed would later be called the UFO “Core story.” Three men dr. Kit Green, Hal Puthoff, and Jacques Vallee met to identify what they knew for sure about all the circulating UFO stories - they came up with the core story - that extraterrestrials have visited the earth, there was a crash and the government has had a lot of trouble back engineering the saucer technology, and at least one alien was a guest of the United Sates government.
The main piece of information that Moore would be given that was new was the MJ-12 document which claimed to be a UFO briefing given to the President-elect Dwight Eisenhower.

UFO Hocus Pocus

Just a little icing on the cake--before we go any further--of my thesis that Dr Green is a true-blue patriot and not a "rogue," is the good and brilliant Doctor's help in solving the infamous case of the "Umbrella Assassin."

The investigation into the assassination of Bulgarian dissident Georgi Markov, murdered with a poison-filled pellet shot into his leg (possibly with a converted "umbrella gun") at a bus stop in Britain in 1978, was the most unusual and significant case that medical doctor and forensic specialist Christopher C. Green participated in during his twenty year career as an investigative officer with the Central Intelligence Agency. Green in the analysis of the tiny platinum- and iridium-alloy pellet removed from Markov's leg after his death.

Secrets of the Dead

A list of purported Aviary menders and corroborating documents titled The Black Lodge of Aviarian Adepti here

A wealth of various writings on The Aviary here

And now: Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green on "Disclosure."

Dr Green - "In a country that has a large, educated population there is a large subset of individuals who suffer from what's called paraphrenia. Paraphrenia is a form of mental illness that doesn't interfere with your everyday life. It means that you can have a delusion and not be crazy, a delusion that you can confine and control. Many of us have one corner of the mind that is delusional - I bet you that I do.

'I might, for example, be religious - I'm an Episcopalian, though as such, I am protected from diagnosis, as are all the UFO buffs, because a large social structure of shared beliefs, like a religion, cannot be a delusion. So all those people who believe that they are being beamed at by the government can no longer be diagnosed as crazy - there are just too many of them.

'But, if there is a condition that is threatening to the social structure - like the idea that the aliens are here and they are taking our babies, or that God hates people of a certain creed or colour - and if people who believe in that kind of delusion band together, they can end up encouraging each other to get a lot sicker, or they strap on belts and make themselves human bombs. So we have to know how to deal with these people and how to prevent them from being dangerous to others.

'This applies to the UFO problem. If something really strange in the area of UFOs is true, then what do we do about conveying that information to the public? First we consider what may be the basic facts: maybe there are civilised lifeforms elsewhere in the universe; maybe they visited us in their spaceships a couple of times and then went back home; perhaps they left a vehicle or some technology behind and we've spent a lot of time and money trying to figure out how to use it. And there may be people in the government who believe that this did happen, and believe that the information needs to be public knowledge, because perhaps someone outside of the government will be able to make sense of their technology. But there's another group of people in power who say, "No, it will make them sick to know all this, we can't let the story out, it's too dangerous." '

John and I glanced at each other. My mouth was dry...Things were getting strange again. Did Kit just tell us that these things happened? Was that a hypothetical scenario he had just presented us with, or one that he believed to be real? Kit continued.

'So, what do we do? There are studies on both sides of the problem. Some show that people will go crazy and jump of bridges when they're presented with this information. Others, however, say that if you don't want them to go crazy, what you do is systematically desensitize their fears.

'If you are a psychiatrist with a patient you can do that in a very methodical way. If you are a sociologist working with a group of students at a university you can do this in a very structured and experimental way. But if you are a government with a population it's a lot more complicated. Sure, there are those who are just going to shrug and say, "I always knew the aliens were real, it's no big deal." But you also know that some of them are nuttier than a fruitcake and could cause a lot of trouble. So we have to ask ourselves how we can tell people what they deserve to know and, maybe, what they need to know?

'The way to do it is to construct a framework whereby they can parse out the things that they've heard that are not true, and you whittle it down to a manageable story. A story like this: "There were three spaceships that came here over thirty years, and we've got one of them. We can't figure out how it works, we've crashed it because there's a lot of physics that we've still got to learn. We do have something that's like a magnethydrodynamic toroid, and it really did get a craft of the ground, but it smelled bad and it killed a couple of pilots. And we're really sorry about that, but we did it because we've got this machine that came from another planet, and we need to know how it works." '

Oh god, he just did it again. I tried to slow my breathing to prevent the giddiness from becoming a full-on panic attack.

Kit carried on, oblivious to my inner struggle. I was glad not to be inside one of his MRI machines.

'How do you tell people that story? If it's true?' he added, almost parenthetically.

"If you were to give them the core story right off the bat, they'd get sick, so you do it slowly over ten or twenty years.You put out a bunch of movies, a bunch of books, a bunch of stories, a bunch of Internet memes about reptilian aliens eating our children, about all the crazy stuff that we've seen recently in Serpo. Then one day you say, "Hey, all that stuff is nonsense, relax, it's not that bad, you don't have to worry, the reality is this..." - and then you give them the real story."

Mirage Men by Mark Pilkington

The initial questions raised might find some of the Aviary elements falling into all the categories. But if you, like me, find it highly unlikely that either Dr. Green or Col. John Alexander would go rogue and dump on their allegiances and continued fees as "consultants," then I think we can safely remove two from the list in regards to their main motivations:

1.) They are UFO believers who in their high-clearance careers have heard rumors and have subsequently tried to determine for themselves what the government is hiding in regards to UFOs.

2.) They know the truth and are attempting, out of goodwill, or as part of official disclosure, to get the info out to the public.

3.) They are involved in ufological deception for their own murky purposes apart from any intelligence agency directives.

4.) They are tied to the hip with intelligence factions and their prime directive(s) include ufological deception.

If you find that line of thinking valid, which side do you fall on?

If not, how do you see it?

Col. Alexander, his current connections to intelligence, and why I think he's a true-blue company man coming soon.

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Wonderful post so far.
Neurophysiological science has some important applications that can benefit many, as well as have uses in less than reputable practices.

For the good, grounds can be gained regarding Alzheimer's treatment among other pursuits, especially where stem cell research developments come into play.
Additionally, somewhat on the Mengele side of things, advancements could result in a new and smarter you.

On the downside, we get into programming and control.
There's already a number of social and media mechanisims in place and pervasive in Western culture for the generalized control, and influence of populations and groups.
Much of this can be seen with the prevalence of social networks. Influence the groups through memes, manufactured popular opinion, customized advertising, media stories, and you essentially own your own human bot-net.

Human-animal chimeras are already a reality. We manufacture mice with human genes (most common), pigs with human genes, and other animals for research purposes.
These animals don't exhibit phenotypical traits, or look human in any way. Their genes are just modified such that they're more human from a cellular biological perspective in reaction to drugs to better gauge reactions and side effects when actual human trials begin.
Mice are a good choice with chimeras because of their rapid development and short lifespans.
If we could do the same with fruit flies to any success, it would be done, but, there's some key differences between insect and mammal that make this impractical.

Some chimeras you've probably heard about are the glow in the dark cats that were modified with jellyfish DNA.

Originally posted by The GUT
You put out a bunch of movies, a bunch of books, a bunch of stories, a bunch of Internet memes about reptilian aliens eating our children, about all the crazy stuff that we've seen recently in Serpo. Then one day you say, "Hey, all that stuff is nonsense, relax, it's not that bad, you don't have to worry, the reality is this..." - and then you give them the real story."

This is the part that makes me lean towards deception and not official disclosure, though I wish it otherwise. To me it seems counterproductive to instill the fears and then attempt to dispel them with the truth. Why not push the more gentle and benign story such as the movie "ET". I would be interested to see an experts opinion on the approach being proffered.

Serpo is one of the biggest hoaxes on the net, that ATS happily partaken in...

$$$$$$$

Keching!!

$$$$$$$

Most stuff ends up in the hoax bin in the first hour, not that story!! LOL

I'd post my sources, but they're barred on here

DISCLAIMER: IMO.

Originally posted by iforget
This is the part that makes me lean towards deception and not official disclosure, though I wish it otherwise. To me it seems counterproductive to instill the fears and then attempt to dispel them with the truth...

Yep, the "fear" part doesn't make a lot of sense, although I guess it could be argued. But if it's "deception" for reasons other than disclosure--and I personally lean that way--and if Dr. Green wouldn't seem a likely candidate to pooh where he eats, then what might that deception mean, eh?

Thanks.

Originally posted by Druscilla
On the downside, we get into programming and control.
There's already a number of social and media mechanisims in place and pervasive in Western culture for the generalized control, and influence of populations and groups.

Much of this can be seen with the prevalence of social networks. Influence the groups through memes, manufactured popular opinion, customized advertising, media stories, and you essentially own your own human bot-net.

Thanks, Dru, your brainpower is always appreciated in my book. One way or another, we are dealing in Memes with this group. Powerful memes apparently.

Look at how much of this stuff has seeped into so many minds when the evidence suggests there's no basis for it.

Having said that; do you think it might be government sponsored memes and, if so, what purpose(s) does that suggest?

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That was an excellent and entertaining Thread. Top notch ATS quality.
Thanks for the decent layout, research, time,and above all, sharing your insights
with us all.

Good Work

Best of all, it had nothing to do with all this phoney election crap going on.
As far as that goes, if I want to watch "The News", I dial in Family Guy.
It is really that bad. Almost Vonnegut-like Comedy Satire.

Your Thread was a fine relief. S&F

Originally posted by The GUT

Thanks, Dru, your brainpower is always appreciated in my book. One way or another, we are dealing in Memes with this group. Powerful memes apparently.

Look at how much of this stuff has seeped into so many minds when the evidence suggests there's no basis for it.

Having said that; do you think it might be government sponsored memes and, if so, what purpose(s) does that suggest?

Oh, I'm more than certain the general public are (willing) participants in many programs of control and influence.

Just look at Facebook tagging. What better/easier way to get the general population to build a better facial recognition platform as well as willingly volunteering names with faces not registered in any database since most facial recog databases only cover known criminals?
Everyone participating is essentially a government informant/snitch on everyone around them.

Every cell phone is a voluntary bug and location tracker. Any and every agency can for any or no reason at all use your cell phone to spy on you, or anyone around you.
Further, the smarter cell phones are mini computers, usually used quite heavily by their owners, and all that wonderful data of browsing habits, emails, texts, phone calls, GPS data of places frequented, contact lists, and everything contained on a cell phone is there for the taking.

Look at the Psych Warfare insignia you posted: Persuade, Change, Influence.

Persuade and Influence are actually relatively easy to effect with group control and suggestibility already in place in social networks. Through Persuasion and Influence, Change can be brought about.
Control is different than Persuasion and Influence, though Persuasion and Influence provide a degree of control.
Persuasion and Influence get you willing participants that gladly carry out the effect of a program willingly so without ever being the wiser for what they're doing.
Human bot-net. Smart zombies.
Intelligent, yet, unaware of what they're actually doing.

Look around at trends, catch phrases, buzzwords, popular commercials, popular anything, anything and everything trendy and cool from gadgets to non-physical ideas.
The Influence and Persuasion is there.
It's pretty pervasive, and equally amusing when you know what to look for and see how influence is carried out through large scale unobtrusive non-direct suggestibility bombardment.

Some of this is overt from a corporate sales and marketing standpoint, but, aside from the obvious sales pitches, once you start looking everywhere, you can catch on and see the social engineering in progress.

Great stuff GUT here's a couple more to throw into the mix.

The Executive actually know nothing about the UFO phenomenon at all in any meaningful sense of the word, in fact, if anything whatever it is, seems to studiously avoid contact with them whilst at the same, routinely razzing them and making them look a bit foolish. To further compound that, they, the executive, keep receiving reports from "nobodies" that they have indeed been in "contact" and that, in the early days that contact seemed mostly benign.

To that end, the executive used its' standard model based on the experience of Reinhard Ghelen, in effect the CIA's mentor, to try and penetrate any group that claimed any sort of contact that might be construed as "possibly and feasibly genuine".

Problem, the moment they did such the groups that might well have had some contact with this unknown intelligence, were cast adrift and abandoned by said intelligence and became little more than cults of personality. Some of those who might have had a genuine contact with the unknown intelligence were so traumatised by the withdrawal of the contact they went into a denial and became ever more public and ever more inaccurate with the information about the intelligence, yet by going overtly public they attracted a lot more interested parties and, in some cases, followers.

Problem, the executive is now faced with a dilemma, they cannot study the phenomenon close up as their machinations are continually thwarted and the executive simply does not contain the sort of "thinkers" or the right mindset as they are,by dint of that very state of mind, " a security risk". That is, they will go so far but their very core personality means that, one step too far and they will go public.

The answer, in part, therefore is co-opt these "free thinkers" on an ad hoc basis, ie Jacques Vallee, and engage them in any number of "what if?" scenarios in an attempt to try and understand and copy the mindset of a person the intelligence might actually "contact".

In effect, we are talking to plot from the film version of "Total recall", an attempt via drugs, psychological planning, a combination whatever, to produce agents who the unknown intelligence will accept as "benign" whilst at the same time, removing the inherent characteristic that would, under normal circumstances, mean them going public.

The unknown intelligence retaliates

Again, the executive under estimates the ability of the unknown intelligence to penetrate their defences and in an amusing slap across the wrists, sets up a few "shows of force", ie Rendlesham, to show how they, the unknown intelligence can "turn the military" almost at will.

Therefore, MJ12, Roswell, are all just blinds, propaganda that merely serve to make people think that the executive does "know" and might well be in cahoots with the unknown intelligence, a double bluff, if you will, in order to "scare off" people they worry might be contacted by the unknown intelligence That could be the experience of the USA/Russia/Grt Britain and few other countries.

Abductions, remember the guy from California who swore they saw a doctor that was present at their abduction with the "aliens", in the street in LA? The executive have actually been mostly behind the whole abduction scene promoting it in order to make people scared of contact with the unknown intelligence, possibly even faking abductions at times.

Originally posted by The GUT
This thread will attempt to collate a wide-range of operations, and operatives, that have, and continue, to make an impact on ufology in the course of their official work. Further, we will look at the evidence for that assertion and the impact and ramifications of what that might mean, should we find it to be true.

The first installment with deal with the so-called Aviary, one alleged member in particular, but this thread intends to cover a much broader spectrum than that group alone.

There's basically 4 lines of thought about what the Aviary has been up to especially in regards to MJ12 and it's spinoff: Serpo.

Some of my comments on Serpo.

Things I noticed from Rick Doty after hearing his voice, after creating some type of image in my mind from reading about him was that he seems to be from the midwest or south. I really liked what he said, that he saw an alien on film and I have no reason to disbelieve it, although he is a good agent.

Robert Collins, is who I consider a master disinformation agent. Doty told what I think mostly to be the truth, Collins went on with Art Bell and told the truth in the classic days. Some of us know how Art challenges anyone without proof, Collins gave a great interview in my opinion but got challenged. Robert Collins then went on the History channel, but few probably know he regretted it. This is why the two later interviews with George Noory are different, I don't even think it's lying anymore, it is an artform. This tells me that one of the puzzles is Collins having more contacts than Doty.

If I can describe intelligence. Derrell Sims worked with the CIA for a short time, it was heavy work, he has done numerous things originally starting out in law enforcement, he knows all communication, and even subconscious hypnotherapy. Derrell appears to be truthful and cannot talk about everything. Robert Collins is a person who when asked a question, it is almost like eating something sweet to lie about the answer. You can ask a completely throw off question and Robert will have 3 lies ready to suggest, all without a slight hint of him psychologically thinking anything otherwise than it is the absolute truth. Then, he will incorporate the truth within the context of the lie as if he is oblivious to telling the truth as if compared to the lie, also giving a sign of languauge when it is false knowing the percentage of all communication as Derrell does - 58%, 25%, and 7%.

Robert Collins admits Serpo is disinformation.

Originally posted by FireMoon
Great stuff GUT here's a couple more to throw into the mix.

Thank you, sir.

You must be reading my mind, because I'm going to be touching on some of the subjects you have brought up.

The Executive actually know nothing about the UFO phenomenon at all in any meaningful sense of the word, in fact, if anything whatever it is, seems to studiously avoid contact with them whilst at the same, routinely razzing them and making them look a bit foolish.

One of the points I hope to make needs a DISCLAIMER : I'm a believer, and I also believe that the type of officials you refer to have been involved in downplaying and seemingly covering up official ufo interest. I truly believe the guys at that level don't know much and are acting on higher orders.

At the same time, I believe the evidence is undeniable that the spookiest of spooks have been fostering the belief in extraterrestrial visitation.

If that's true, then what does it mean? I'm hoping our mutual effort will suggest and pare down the possibilities.

To that end, the executive used its' standard model based on the experience of Reinhard Ghelen, in effect the CIA's mentor, to try and penetrate any group that claimed any sort of contact that might be construed as "possibly and feasibly genuine".

You scare me because I have a thread waiting in the wings that goes into some detail about Ghelen and the intelligence torch that was passed off from Nazi Germany to the U.S. Are you RVing me, FireMoon!

More on topic and in this thread…we will also be considering the infiltration of the ufo reporting organizations--as well as their purported co-option of the early contactees--by our Men In Black(OPs)

In effect, we are talking to plot from the film version of "Total recall", an attempt via drugs, psychological planning, a combination whatever, to produce agents…

…he unknown intelligence to penetrate their defenses and in an amusing slap across the wrists, sets up a few "shows of force", ie Rendlesham, to show how they, the unknown intelligence can "turn the military" almost at will.

Therefore, MJ12, Roswell, are all just blinds, propaganda that merely serve to make people think that the executive does "know" and might well be in cahoots with the unknown intelligence, a double bluff, if you will…

…The executives have actually been mostly behind the whole abduction scene promoting it in order to make people scared of contact with the unknown intelligence, possibly even faking abductions at times.

A year ago, I would have laughed in someone's face if they mentioned "MILABS."

And the idea may be ridiculous indeed, but I'm going to present some not-so-well-known evidence that suggests that mind-control and abductions might have some factual basis as relates to military intelligence and UFOs when we talk about "Dr. Death," Col. John B. Alexander.

Why is he called Dr. Death when he's the step-daddy of non-lethal warfare? Maybe because he was a Special Forces (Green Beret) Commander purportedly connected with Operation Phoenix, or it could be his Ph.D. in Thanatology completed under the direction of Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross. Or maybe because of both.

I'll tell you this much, he seems to get purty dang ticked-off at folk when they suggest that the military, especially in connection with him, has anything to do with mind-control and/or abductions.

More on that coming up…and anyone that has knowledge and can help me explore that angle it would be mucho appreciado.

Mebbe I'm reading him wrong, mebbe I'm not. Let the reader be the judge.

Col. Alexander with "Reading the Enemy's Mind"

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Probably one of the most important threads on ATS most people will never read. S&F OP, I truly hope this doesn't get buried among the usual "chatter" threads that seem to constantly bury most of the really informative and well written threads here. I do believe that the more one looks objectively at the UFO, abduction, etc phenomenon, that one can begin to decipher what the actual truth is hidden among the lies, and blatantly obvious disinformation . Here's to hoping that one day we will ultimately find out what the real truth is regarding such things....I hesitate to use the word "disclosure" due to it's overusage, but hey the truth is out there right

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Thank you so very much, AutOmatic, you get it. That tells me you already had "it."

If you come across any way to push the thesis forward, it will be more than welcome.

See ya around.

Something I referenced earlier in another thread that may already be known, applicable somewhat to this is the USAF and Intelligence involvement in the Barney and Betty Hill case:

... the circumstances surrounding the Hills' experience reveal a very sinister story. It is clear that the Hills were being monitored by USAF Intelligence before the encounter took place, through Major James MacDonald, who had befriended them some time earlier. Betty Hill wrote to Donald Keyhoe who, despite the fact that he received over a hundred letters a day, homed in on this initially unremarkable case. (At that stage, the Hills remembered only the UFO sighting, not the abduction.) Within 24 hours, Keyhoe had arranged for the Hills to be visited by top-level scientists, including C.D. Jackson, who had previously (definitely not coincidentally) worked on psychological warfare techniques for President Eisenhower. Stretching coincidence far beyond breaking point, Jackson already knew Major MacDonald, with whom he next interviewed the Hills. Most importantly, it was Jackson who drew the Hills' attention to their missing time period; until he did so, the couple had not realised that their memories of that fateful night were incomplete. It was Jackson who suggested hypnotic regression as a means of unlocking it. It was Jackson who then arranged for one of the Army's top psychiatric experts to undertake the regression (as if a civilian expert was not available?), under which the full story of the joint abduction “emerged”. However, as many researchers have since demonstrated, a careful review of the timings actually shows that there was no missing time at all.

It seems that Betty and Barney Hill were at the centre of a web that involved USAF Intelligence and top military experts in psychological warfare. The evidence suggests that the Hills were the subjects – victims – of a psychological experiment. This may seem a tall claim, but the evidence that defence and intelligence agencies undertook such experiments – in other contexts – on unknowing and innocent subjects in the 1950s and 60s is now overwhelming. In particular, the exposure of the CIA's notorious MKULTRA project into various mind control techniques caused a major scandal in the 1970s.
Source

If the Hill case was indeed a PsyOp, then, we should certainly question other cases in the same light, especially cases where people have undergone hypnosis where said hypnosis could very well have been programming and planting false memories.

Facilitation of hypnosis, in my opinion, has always been a bit spooky/dodgy.
1. Where hypnotic states work, all sorts of suggestibility is there for the interviewer to plant ideas.
1a. Combining certain drug cocktails with hypnosis can give the interviewer leave to program a subject all sorts of different ways.
2. Where hypnotic states don't work, the subject supposedly under hypnosis can simply pretend, telling any wild fantasy they wish to tell, where they can later say their experience was validated by hypnotic regression.

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I hear my cognitive abilities have gone down all the time on this Telepathic Link I have since 2006. Being Telepathic has caused me much trouble in Writing, Reading and Math Skills! Basically, all I am good for is doing UFO and Alien Re-search and looking for Missing Persons. I was attacked and taken from a Bridge in Charleston, West Virginia near the Amtrak Station and put on another Bridge about 1 or 2 miles from where I was located. I was found waliking around in shock. I was en-route to work for US Customs and Border Patrol in Piegan, Montana back in Sept-2006.

You have created an excellent thread!! I did not know anything about this guy. I do think the Government puts to much focus on creating things to so-call control us! There are simple rules in life- Do not mess with the Human Brain, Do not drill holes in the Moon, and do not mess with the Ocean!! They also need to turn HAARP off..which is sending signals up into space attracting the Aliens and then the signals are coming back down and hitting our cell phone towers and creating Silent Sound Spread Sequence or Artificial Telepathy..which in some cases is driving humans nuts!! Enough with the Government playing GOD!! There are some things in life..you just dont mess with!!

What I have learned after ever thing that has happen to me- Never talk about Alien Issues in Public..Lay Low..try and stay off the Grid..and just use youre knowledge of what is to come and protect the people that you Love!! Thank God for some of the Military Guys whom have helped saved me from Local Idiots down here in NC!! I will be forever thankful!!

The Aliens have already infiltrated the Human RACE..

An additional point, in consideration of the Hill case, is the death of Phil Schneider.

Phil Schneider was a charlatan; a fraud.
He had some fun stories, sure, but, that's all they were.

Many adherents to the UFO culture will take the Phil Schneider story at face value and believe it, hook line and sinker. Further, his death under questionable circumstances is often touted as validation for his claims in that he was 'silenced'.

Looking at the Hill case, as well as elements of other cases where it seems Intelligence agencies found it more profitable to bolster, support, and even fabricate wholesale false reports, it may very well be the case that Phil Schneider was indeed killed, not to silence him, but to create a Martyr in UFOlogy before he tripped over his own lies exposing himself for the fraud he was.

We now have people making pilgrimages to Dulce NM where in all likelihood there's absolutely nothing of any real value or interest.

This, of course, is entirely speculation, but, where agencies have shown interest in perpetuating the UFO mythology, having a fraudulent Martyr on the roster is certainly a worthwhile smokescreen.