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Originally posted by Fockewulf8
1. Can capitalism exist outside of a monetary system? If so can you please describe that to me.
3. When the human element is removed from a system then any system is a neutral entity... That's like saying that a gun isn't evil or good but how it's used.. Therefore any system is corrupt proof due to it being a neutral system before the human element is added to it. Therefore I hope this point wasn't to support capitalism's superiority over other systems based on its un-corruptability? Yet if it is to display capitalism as a neutral system then I could agree.
4. Capitalism is based on production as you say correct? From my viewpoint production is not only constrained by the consumer but by the producer as well.
5. Refer to point 3...
6. Lets say that capitalism does provide the best availability of services and commodities... that was not the point of the statement per my understanding. The point of the statement from how I read it was stating that capitalism (and how it is used) overclouds a large part of being human with a image that to consume will aid us in finding this part of ourselves (i.e. purpose and emotional/spiritual connection to the world around us) through materialism and consumption. Yet no system provides that if you are looking at a system without the human element (i.e. just on paper) because it is NEUTRAL. The key is how it's used and every system in some degree becomes corrupted when you add the human element at this point in our development.
7. "With the private sector in charge, the messages we receive have the exact same intent as the communiques from an Orwellian state". From my understanding this is directed at the intentional, and direct, psychological manipulation that corporations engage in to have the consumer buy and support their product over all others and develop product loyalty. Much like a oppressive state would do to support its rule no?
8. "Advertizing, AKA propaganda, is the mode of our poorly educated society and will be used by any central authority, especially a non-capitalist, control-oriented, centrally managed society." So by that statement present corporations are not capitalist because they engage in propaganda towards consumers?
1. Amorality – increase of individual and corporate wealth is the only core principle of capitalism. Recognition of any social concern or relationship to the natural world that transcends the goal of increasing capital accumulation is extrinsic to the system.
2. Dependence on growth – capitalism relies on limitless growth, but the natural resources essential to wealth production are finite. Super-exploitation is exhausting those resources and destroying the ecosystems of which they are a part, jeopardizing human survival as well as that of other species.
verb (used without object)
to take advantage of; turn something to one's advantage (often followed by on ): to capitalize on one's opportunities.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by KillerQueen
The only thing I agree with is the last bit. For every new gadget we invent, for every luxury we provide, you'd think we'd be very happy? But we are not.. we are miserable. Comfortable, yes, but not happy. Capitalism has made us to be the most comfortable and protected miserable people in history. It's weird, and no one can really place why exactly we are so sad, so angry, so apathetic.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by KillerQueen
These are unregulated capitalism.
Unregulated communism and socialism is capable of the same, if not worse.
Once you deal with bankers and millionaires (the people capable of doing all these), you cannot call it capitalism anymore, nor communism, nor socialism. It's really just oligarchy. They share their wealth to create more, and charge its existence in rent to make more over that.