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Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by BlueMule
"Verifiable proof" would be nice of course but it's not possible even though psi is real.
As soon as a "skeptic" tries to verify a parapsychology experiment, the unconscious psi of the "skeptic" kicks in and sabotages the experiment in order to bring the results into accord with the materialistic, reductionistic belief system of the "skeptic".
Very convienient answer that you can use as a trump card to deny any real, scientific test. "Of course they exist, but it can never be tested". What a crock.
If this is true, then this invalidates your first assertation about. If this is true, ESP and the such CAN be verified by having scientists who are 'sheep' doing the testing and verification, isnt that right?
Once they verify the results, and therefore they are "written in stone' and not changable by a skeptic, then you let the "goats" verify. Im sure the goats will always suspect the sheep in being complicit, but does this not make sense?
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
Not all psychic people are frauds...there really are some very real psychic's in the world...
no - I'm quite sure you are completely wrong about both of those statements, but feel free to offer some verifiable evidence to support them - my belief is based upong the available verifiable evidence - if you've got some that shows me I'm wrong then I'll change my mind.
what I find interesting is that most of them (the real ones) are not famous and don't make a living from it.
One has to wonder why not.
Originally posted by BlueMule
What a crock.
Originally posted by nightbringr
If this is true, then this invalidates your first assertation. If this is true, ESP and the such CAN be verified by having scientists who are 'sheep' doing the testing and verification, isnt that right? Once they verify the results, and therefore they are "written in stone' and not changable by a skeptic, then you let the "goats" verify. Im sure the goats will always suspect the sheep in being complicit, but does this not make sense?
Originally posted by Ryanssuperman
Originally posted by phroziac
Anyway...consider free will. If a psychic told you that you were going to die in a horrible car crash on the way to work in the morning, and you decided to call in that day because of the prediction. You altered the future. Not just for yourself, but for others. The future is alterable. Also, is it really possible to tell someone what a random selection of lottery balls will be?
And the million dollar question is: Who altered that future? The person being read, or the psychic? If it was the person being read then the psychic would be in that future already, giving that warning. Or was the future actually changed? Perhaps the person being read was always meant to receive that warning. OR....the psychic was wrong. So many variables to say for sure.
Originally posted by wrdwzrd
what I find interesting is that most of them (the real ones) are not famous and don't make a living from it.
One has to wonder why not.
ill answer your questions, one, there are real physics or "seers' in the world but no amount of evidence has ever been enough to satisfy anyone with a closed mind.
although one wonders why his conscience took 25 years to work well enough to tell the truth!
Certainly no amount of evidence will convince a closed mind.
But since there is actually no evidence at all that psychic powers exist...
Originally posted by DAVID64
This is what I've pretty much thought of "Psychics" all along. Having said that, I'm sure there are real ones out there too. What makes me think that is the "link" between my sister and I. No, we can't read each others mind or communicate by telepathy. But, every since we were very young, we each knew when the other was in some sort of trouble. The only way I would believe a psychic, is if they can tell me something they could not possibly know. No cold readings or what have you, something so personal that they could not possibly have guessed it.
www.psychologytoday.com...
Dr. Bem, a social psychologist at Cornell University, conducted a series of studies that will soon be published in one of the most prestigious psychology journals (Journal of Personality and Social Psychology). Across nine experiments, Bem examined the idea that our brain has the ability to not only reflect on past experiences, but also anticipate future experiences. This ability for the brain to "see into the future" is often referred to as psi phenomena.
Although prior research has been conducted on the psi phenomena - we have all seen those movie images of people staring at Zener cards with a star or wavy lines on them - such studies often fail to meet the threshold of "scientific investigation." However, Bem's studies are unique in that they represent standard scientific methods and rely on well-established principles in psychology. Essentially, he took effects that are considered valid and reliable in psychology - studying improves memory, priming facilitates response times - and simply reversed their chronological order.
For example, we all know that rehearsing a set of words makes them easier to recall in the future, but what if the rehearsal occurs after the recall? In one of the studies, college students were given a list of words and after reading the list, were given a surprise recall test to see how many words they remembered. Next, a computer randomly selected some of the words on the list as practice words and the participants were asked to retype them several times.
The results of the study showed that the students were better at recalling the words on the surprise recall test that they were later given, at random, to practice. According to Bem, practicing the words after the test somehow allowed the participants to "reach back in time to facilitate recall."