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Originally posted by daynight42
They could easily guess winning lottery numbers a few times in a row. I'd be convinced if I was there to verify it wasn't a fraud. Or...just like, guessing a six digit number in my head. I'd believe then.
I guess it doesn't work that way though. Umm, I guess it can't be used for selfish means or something. Of course.
Originally posted by 1littlewolf
So what's the point of asking...?
Never have politicians, kings, rulers of any kind sought the help of psychics....not Like they would be killed for being wrong.....EVER...history lacks examples....any..
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by wrdwzrd
what I find interesting is that most of them (the real ones) are not famous and don't make a living from it.
One has to wonder why not.
ill answer your questions, one, there are real physics or "seers' in the world but no amount of evidence has ever been enough to satisfy anyone with a closed mind.
Well that's one true statement tacked onto a falso one.
Certainly no amount of evidence will convince a closed mind.
But since there is actually no evidence at all that psychic powers exist - every real investigation has shown fraud at worst or gullibility at best - it is not the people who say "the evidence is crap" who have het closed minds.
It is those who refuse to accept that the evidence is crap because it does not fit with their preconceptions.
If you can give me verifiable evidence that psychic powers exist then I will change my mind about them - based on the evidence.
But apaprently no amount of evidence that they do not exist is enough for believers to understand that they have been duped - throughout history, and regardless of rank or race or creed..
edit on 7-8-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Ryanssuperman
Sorry no. There has been plenty of studies done that cannot be refuted, but are ignored in mainstream science.
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by BlueMule
What a crock.
All fair, but while i did dismiss this all as a "crock", i did logically debunk your assertation in the second half of that post.
Care to address any of that?
Ps. I see a reoccuring theme here where people seem to believe if someone is a psychic, they are always good people who would never announce their powers, never use it to further their lot in life and never use it.........at all?
Why does having psychic powers make you inhuman? No idea why everyone thinks they will just sit quietely at home, never bothing to display their gift, never bothering to use it to further themselves. Obviously these people are not human. I understand the fear of the government coming and snatching you away in the night, but surely ONE person would videotape or otherwise record their talents or go on live media somewhere, sometime to show what they are capable of. Why does this not happen?
edit on 7-8-2012 by nightbringr because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by 1littlewolf
So what's the point of asking...?
Meet them if they are somewhat close to me...
It amazes me how many here on ATS debate a whole point by not moving a single inch from their computers. In this case if someone here says they are real and they know it deep in their heart, then I would think that a real visit would provide the proof, or lack of, then a 10,000 word debate on the subject.
Sometimes one just needs to get off their ass every once in a while... lol
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by Ryanssuperman
Sorry no. There has been plenty of studies done that cannot be refuted, but are ignored in mainstream science.
Such as?
Originally posted by 1littlewolf
reply to post by yorkshirelad
Originally posted by yorkshirelad
Originally posted by 1littlewolf
Upong what verifiable evidence? Have you conducted any scientific studies into ‘psychic’ phenomena’? Could you post the results please? Failing that, please post the studies which show is no such thing as a psychic person, and then explain how this applies to every single person in the entire world.
Oh boy! Face palm, negative proof syndrome. With that logic ice crystals do not have six sides and the only way to prove it is to examine every single ice crystal in the universe.
we could list "proofs" like this for an eternity by the way. I just picked a blindingly obvious one to highlight your nonsensical logic.
And yet if we found just one snowflake that was not six sided, then it would prove your theory wrong now wouldn’t it…? Please see my next set of responses.
Not one person has yet been identified as being a psychic by passing a rigourous scientific test. Therefore, based on all the evidence to date psychic abilities do not exist.
False.
For starters the Double Slit Experiment, shows that the human mind collapsing waves into particles outside the confines of the brain. By the very definition I posted above this is psychic phenomenom.
Through the Quantum Erazer Experiment this psychic phenomena was shown not to have anything to do with the equipment used but could only be the observer and it was also shown to work backwards in time.
So this is your first and second non-six sided snow flake….
But obviously this is a little too far removed from your traditional view of the psychic world for you to be happy, so lets move on hey.
Predicting the future proven by Cornell experiments
New studies show people can anticipate future events
A new study involving hundreds of Cornell undergrads has provided a dramatic demonstration of numerous ‘retroactive’ psi effects – that is, phenomena that are inexplicable according to current scientific knowledge
………………..
Take priming – the effect whereby a subliminal (i.e. too fast for conscious detection) presentation of a word or concept speeds subsequent reaction times for recognition of a related stimulus. Bem turned this around by having participants categorise pictures as negative or positive and then presenting them subliminally with a negative or positive word. That is, the primes came afterwards. Students were quicker, by an average of 16.5ms, to categorise negative pictures as negative when they were followed by a negative subliminal word (e.g. ‘threatening’), almost as if that word were acting as a prime working backwards in time.
This is your third non-six sided snowflake….
In another experiment participants looked at successive pairs of neutral mirror images and chose their favourite – the left or right. After each pair, an unpleasant picture was flashed subliminally on one side or the other. You guessed it, participants tended to favour the mirror image on the side of the screen opposite to where an unpleasant picture was about to appear.
Fourth…
These Experiments were conducted at Cornell University and were all peer reviewed
So here are four examples that the premise of both you and the OP that psychic phenomena does not exist proven wrong. Positive proof. Neither yourself nor the OP have offered anything except the memoirs of a con artist.
Not very scientific and certainly not ‘proof’ of anything except your own ill informed opinions
At Princeton University’s Anomalous Phenomena department, Dr. Robert Jahn and Brenda Dunne have established beyond scientific doubt and under the strictest controls that certain people have the incredible ability to influence the fall of dice in a roulette machine. This ability is known as telekinesis, which can simply be defined as “mind over matter.”
The proof of their meticulous research, conducted over a period of more than 25 years, is contained in their pioneering book entitled “Margins of Reality.” Those who love to pore over statistics and calculate probability ratios repeatedly will love this book.
ROBERT G. JAHN AND BRENDA J. DUNNE
Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research
School of Engineering and Applied Science
Princeton University, Princeton, NJ 08544-5263
[email protected]
Abstract—
Although consciousness-correlated physical phenomena are widely and credibly documented, their appearance and behavior display substantial departures from conventional scientific criteria. Under even the most rigorous protocols, they are only irregularly replicable, and they appear to be insensitive to most basic physical coordinates, including distance and time.
Rather, their strongest correlations are with various subjective parameters, such as intention, emotional resonance, uncertainty, attitude, and meaning, and information processing at an unconscious level appears to be involved. If science, by its most basic definition, is to pursue understanding and utilization of these extraordinary processes, it will need to expand its current paradigm to acknowledge and codify a proactive role for the mind in the establishment of physical events, and to accommodate the spectrum of empirically indicated subjective correlates.
The challenges of quantitative measurement and theoretical conceptualization within such a ‘‘Science of the Subjective’’ are formidable, but its potential intellectual and cultural benefits could be immense, not least of all in improving the reach, the utility, the attitude, and the image of science itself.