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America On Verge Of Communist Takeover, Says Former Castro Revolutionary

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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 08:54 AM
reply to post by longlostbrother

And what does the orphan child trade for life saving surgery?

An orphaned child does not have to "trade" anything! Obviously the disabled, children, and frail elderly will be looked after out of the compassion and goodwill of those who are actively "productive".

For heaven's sake. Not EVERYTHING has to be PAID FOR!!
The life-saving surgeon uses his skll, and the reward is knowing he saved an orphaned child's life.
It's very simple. If people would just get off the "money" train and THINK, that question would not even be asked.

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 08:56 AM
reply to post by longlostbrother

What is your point? Not getting you. The US is not a democracy, never has been. The only thing democratic is:
1. We vote for our leaders.
2. leaders vote on laws bassed on the Constitution.

A law can not be repugnant to the constitution no matter if the majority, democratically want it or not. Thus we are a Republic. Not a Democracy.

From the COTUS .... "will insure each state a republican form of government".. A Republic being ruled by law. The supreme law in our (USA) case, the COTUS.

Now I know for you that believe it is a "living, breathing document" that this is hard to swallow, but it is the fact.
This is why democracy is pushed so hard in public schools ( enter #10 here) and why the socialist said... ...."democracy is the ideal form of government to install socialism.".... There argument playing on human nature. Knowing Most people are lazy and want a nanny to take care of all their problems. Although they preach it as "equality" "fair share" "chicken in every pot"..... Blah blah and blah, enter liberal crap..... and etc.
The very thing you are arguing against is blatantly happenning in your face and you can't see it?

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 09:08 AM
reply to post by wildtimes

There is a price for everything, action and inaction.
Complacency demands the highest toll.

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 09:23 AM
reply to post by murphy22

There is a price for everything, action and inaction.
Complacency demands the highest toll.

Who's talking about complacency and inaction?
You can keep making this about money if you want, but it's about decency and humanity looking after one another, without regard for "rewards". THAT is Grace, and Love. Read "The Road Less Traveled" by M.Scott Peck.

Wanting what is best, and doing what is best, for another WITHOUT EXPECTING ANYTHING IN RETURN. Just because you can!!

How HARD is that for people to understand?

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 09:23 AM
Anyway and back to th OP, Julio Lara is right. I'll take advice from someone that has been there and done that.
That..... "hasn't happened"... LOL! Okay then! But the writing is on the wall.

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 09:33 AM
reply to post by wildtimes

You are right to a point. This would be an ideal world to live in. But not everyone has as kind of heart as you. A world that you speak of requires pure good. Not ever going to happen here. Just like any form of government requires moral atributes not found in men or women of power. It's Just not reality. Not all are this way, but are out numbered by the rest. You sound kind, keep dreaming your dreams. I mean that, stay the way you are. To everything there is a reason.. people like myself would not need to exist if we had more people like you. May there be wind in your sails.
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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 10:03 AM
So, we should all stop fighting for a better world, because there are those who would fight for their own exploitative dominance? I don't believe that evil is more prevalent for one second, but the inaction of good men is becoming more and more common. We MUST fight for a better world, or we will forever be in bondage to those that would exploit us "good, and moral" people.

Evil will ALWAYS have to be fought with each successive generation, but we must wrestle away control, and fight to keep the upper hand. It is a fight that can never truly be "won", but we should never give up the fight to make things better for ALL life on this planet.

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 10:39 AM
Bezmenov talked about this twenty plus years ago.

Having studied Sun Tzu, he said it is much easier to subvert your enemy then to go to outright war with him. An outright war is too costly in terms of manpower, money and materials. It is far easier to get people who share your political leanings into positions of power (academia, media) where they can brainwash the masses.

I know in some of my course work in college, you had to toe the left wing radical line or you failed. Yes I toed the line, but I never believed their bullsh#t and still don't. I knew what they were trying to do.

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 10:54 AM
reply to post by Syyth007

You are right. I do not know if your post was aimed toward me. But I did not say otherwise.
A utopia will never come about in this world. People may as well get that idea out of their heads. The best anyone can hope for is a lull in the conflict.

Socialism would not be an answer. Government in any form is not an answer to anything. Never has been in all of history. In the history of the world the most ideal form of governance was created in the United States, it even came with a rule book, (COTUS) not bassed on the whim of a lone individual or party. But TPTB have chosen to not follow the rules.
Now because of this it has all come full circle again as it has in the past.

People not wanting to be surfs, servants or slaves are now rebels, terrorist and so on. They "cling to their god and guns".... When in reality they just want to be left alone to thrive for Life, Liberty and Pursuite of happiness.
Communism is the road to surfdom. Socialism is the same thing as comunism in my book.

Hitler ran a socialist country. But only surtain people were allowed take part. The rest? Off to the camp with them! But the trains ran on time.

You only have to look at laws enacted by his governing party and compare them to the color of law being enacted by our own government to understand what Julio Lara is saying.
People think communism is a classless society? How do they figure this? I guarantee Stalin stood in no bread line.

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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Darkrunner
I know in some of my course work in college, you had to toe the left wing radical line or you failed. Yes I toed the line, but I never believed their bullsh#t and still don't. I knew what they were trying to do.

Same experience here. I had to incorporate Marxist theory into many a term paper for my undergrad major.

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 11:09 AM
reply to post by Darkrunner

This is one of the smartest things posted so far.
It drives home the point why #10 of the Communist Manifesto is so important and hard pressed.

Name one Socialist style law passed in this country that has not morphed into a citizens worse nightmare if the don't comply. When it has nothing to do with depriving another citizen of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness or doing harm to others and the state.

Yet people do not see the strings attached. The government gives nothing without a price and it doesn't have to be money either.

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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 11:15 AM
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

America is not a democracy, nor was it intended to be.

Youtube Video

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 11:21 AM
reply to post by murphy22

I would like to add, There are some laws passed that are for the good of the citizens such as water, highway, and general wellfare bills. But few in number that are really needed. The rest are to control the masses.

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 12:12 PM

Originally posted by beezzer
Earlier in this thread I asked "how" something like this could occur.

I think I found an answer.

In order to enact martial law and have a ruler versus a president WHILE having the populace embrace the idea is this.

Destroy the power grid.

You may be onto something there. And consider this: They could blame the outage on "cyber-terrorism" and take control of the internet at the same time.

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 12:23 PM
I can't get quotes to work properly for me, so this will have to do:

Originally posted by antonia
Try reading a book by an actual Communist. Heck even Marx was an anarchist by his own words.

Originally posted by AntiNWO
Read books? Are you serious? Have you ever spoken to anyone who actually lived under Communism?

Originally posted by antonia
I have.

Obviously you didn't listen or thought they were lying. Nobody who lived under a Communist regime lived better than you are now, other than the elites who lived a life of luxury while the people lived in rat-infested government-managed apartments.

Originally posted by AntiNWO
Read a book by Hitler about Nazism and you'll see what a utopia that was too.

Originally posted by antonia
I've read Mien Kampf, didn't do much for me and he his agenda was very clear from that book.

I wasn't asking for a review. I was telling you that Nazism was portrayed as the same type of utopia that you're claiming Communism is. And exactly like you, people bought into it. That's an undeniable fact that you're trying to avoid addressing.

Originally posted by AntiNWO
And don't tell us that's not Communism, because there's not a single example where Communism hasn't turned into totalitarianism.

Originally posted by antonia
Firstly, I don't spend my time complaining about Microsoft. You might have me confused with someone else. The problem is you don't understand a very important distinction: You can say you are a communist yet not practice communism. What we are talking about is not communism it is simply totalitarian government. Really, if you can't understand that and all you want to do is insult me or smear me don't talk to me. It's useless. I'm not a communist and simply because I understand something doesn't make me an evil person.

Microsoft was used as an example of mega-corporations, and you know it, however when confronted by facts you had to pretend you didn't. It's understandable since all of the facts prove you wrong and you have no other direction in which to take your argument.

Again, the "that's not Communism" argument. Another common deflection of people with no counter-argument to facts. Tell me, where has Communism not become totalitarianism? Where is the entire history of the world has so much power been given to the government, where the government actually treated it's people like equals? Don't avoid the question.

And no, there are no insults or smears in my response, only facts and questions

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 12:35 PM
Considering how candidates in government receive millions of dollars from donors and how intimately government is tied to economic power it makes me wonder. Almost 1 in 2 congress members are millionaires. In the general population, about 8% are millionaires. Right there is a disparity.

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 12:47 PM

Originally posted by mortisflash
what kind of communism are we talking about here? leninism bolshevism? marxism? trotskyism? i mean, countries that have been pushed towards socialism/communism have always been inherently oppressed by the burgoise, the so called "peasentry" has always been exploited by the rich and powerful. and its beyond me how anyone can view the 2 party dictatorship of america as the protectors of freedom? yes communism is a dictatorship, but a dictatorship of the proletariat, something the west could learn a lot from. people really need to study communism and socialism, in all their forms, instead of lumping it all in together.
just my 2 cents

That's not correct at all. Marxism, Bolshevism and Trotskyism were/are the same thing - "International Communism." Lenin was just did what he was told as the sqwarking orator, with the real brains - Jakob Sverdlov - standing behind him.

As opposed to Stalin who wanted "National Communism" but he had to rewrite the Marxist theory of Communism to make it work. Marx had written many flaws into Communism so that it wouldn't work and indeed, it doesn't work. People cannot all be equal and that's the truth - unless we start cloning humans to all be exactly the same. Just as "Liberty" and "Freedom" are impossible in any working human society with moral responsibilities.

Communism and Socialism absolutely CAN be lumped together because we are not talking about true ideology, but terminology. We are living in a world controlled by the Marxist International and they are using "Communism", "Socialism", "Liberalism", "Social Democracy" and "Anarchism" to get their world revolution. "Socialism" is used because they know people are afraid of the term "Communism" - so they are definitely lumping them together.

You say that "communism is a dictatorship, but a dictatorship of the proletariat, something the west could learn a lot from" - absolute trash!!!!! The Bolsheviks tookover real Communism and turned it into their own "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" - just look at the sailors who helped them until they realised it was all a big lie.
Then look what happened!! They took the farm machinery, animals and seeds from the farmers and millions and millions died!

What are you saying then? That you think the West can learn from its own genocide???

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 12:58 PM
you know what is one way to stop it.....(enemies of state that want to finish taking over our country)....more so than they have already now.....

pray that god, or aliens, or luck, or karma, or some one somewhere, sends an asteroid to come crashing into DC and obliterate the capital....and that only politicians and their traitorous defenders go up in flames..

Then we can breathe a breath of fresh air having removed the real revolutionary traitors.......If a god did that, he would have me praying like a mad man to him....even if I had to chop it off every time and sew it back on to show him I care......and drink ammonia every day at noon in memory of the great asteroid of karma.

ah, I can dream........
now back to reality.....DOOOH!!!!!

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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 01:20 PM

Originally posted by longlostbrother
reply to post by xuenchen

There is SCANT evidence of a MEANINGFUL Marx/Rothschild connection.

Like most Rothschild conspiracies, the Marx one bears very little scrutiny.

Scrutinize This: then get back to me.

posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 01:24 PM
reply to post by SplitInfinity

You Geek! Thanks for correcting that. In fairness to me, science and engineering geeks have been doing the same in regards to Star Trek for years.

The point remains the same. When a technology is achieved that can replicate basic necessities - and as you explain it, or even if it were nanotechnology, it is not clear that the benefit/cost ratio would actually eliminate any need for labor in terms of producing the energy necessary to accomplish this - then perhaps standard economic models will become obsolete.

Thanks for sharing your inner Geek with us.

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