America On Verge Of Communist Takeover, Says Former Castro Revolutionary

reply to post by SplitInfinity

When that nano energy-matter transmutation technology is perfected (and claimed by the state/nation/nwo) then we will see a return to the gold standard (where the supply of gold and thus the money supply can be controlled [ie increased] at will).

Originally posted by AntiNWO
Read books? Are you serious? Have you ever spoken to anyone who actually lived under Communism? I highly doubt it because your views are all based on the ramblings of the elitists who benefited greatly from it. Read a book by Hitler about Nazism and you'll see what a utopia that was too.

Nobody has lived under communism. I know this is hard to believe, but all that nonsense about communism was simply not communism. All this hate for a system you don't understand simply because those in power used the term for propaganda reasons, and not descriptions of their economic system.

Can't you see that the capitalist class has a motive to demonise socialism/communism? That a class that has the power to do so would? Why wouldn't they? The biggest threat to the capitalist class is an educated revolutionary working class. The easiest way to exploit people is to convince them that anything other than their exploitation is unnatural. This was done simply by the power of suggestion and the state controlled conditioni...er education system.

If communism was totalitarianism why would government demonise it? They would have you embracing it, as they now have you embracing your exploitation through capitalism.

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by AntiNWO
Read books? Are you serious? Have you ever spoken to anyone who actually lived under Communism? I highly doubt it because your views are all based on the ramblings of the elitists who benefited greatly from it. Read a book by Hitler about Nazism and you'll see what a utopia that was too.

Nobody has lived under communism. I know this is hard to believe, but all that nonsense about communism was simply not communism. All this hate for a system you don't understand simply because those in power used the term for propaganda reasons, and not descriptions of their economic system.

Can't you see that the capitalist class has a motive to demonise socialism/communism? That a class that has the power to do so would? Why wouldn't they? The biggest threat to the capitalist class is an educated revolutionary working class. The easiest way to exploit people is to convince them that anything other than their exploitation is unnatural. This was done simply by the power of suggestion and the state controlled conditioni...er education system.

If communism was totalitarianism why would government demonise it? They would have you embracing it, as they now have you embracing your exploitation through capitalism.

Oh keerist: right on cue:"Nobody has lived under communism. I know this is hard to believe, but all that nonsense about communism was simply not communism"
Call it what you will your"communist brothers" don't think as altruistically as you do; Party apparatchiks do well and wield power. That's enough motivation.

The revolutionary thug cutting off arms in Africa (or polpots cambodia) with a machete is not going to engage in a debate over the finer points of "the collective good"!!!!!! He just needs a bullet in his brain pan.
Then there's these idiots.(typical)(3:37 it gets into the tyranny of "noodles & co".)

Originally posted by 46ACE
Oh keerist: right on cue:"Nobody has lived under communism. I know this is hard to believe, but all that nonsense about communism was simply not communism"
Call it what you will your"communist brothers" don't think as altruistically as you do; Party apparatchiks do well and wield power. That's enough motivation.

The revolutionary thug cutting off arms in Africa (or polpots cambodia) with a machete is not going to engage in a debate over the finer points of "the collective good"!!!!!! He just needs a bullet in his brain pan.

Or in other words you can't see the difference between actual communism as envisioned by Engels, Marx and others, with the modern politicised use of the term that has nothing to do with actual communism.

Using your logic, if I called myself a Christian and killed people that would make Christianity a murderous cult. Don't you think Christians would have a problem with that definition?

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by 46ACE
Oh keerist: right on cue:"Nobody has lived under communism. I know this is hard to believe, but all that nonsense about communism was simply not communism"
Call it what you will your"communist brothers" don't think as altruistically as you do; Party apparatchiks do well and wield power. That's enough motivation.

The revolutionary thug cutting off arms in Africa (or polpots cambodia) with a machete is not going to engage in a debate over the finer points of "the collective good"!!!!!! He just needs a bullet in his brain pan.

Or in other words you can't see the difference between actual communism as envisioned by Engels, Marx and others, with the modern politicised use of the term that has nothing to do with actual communism.

Using your logic, if I called myself a Christian and killed people that would make Christianity a murderous cult. Don't you think Christians would have a problem with that definition?

Not every"communist may have as finely nuanced a view as you.
Once the hanging, shooting and reducation starts Its a little late to be Debating Marx and Engels

It doesn't work in actual practice.
People are murdered by the thousands..I don't care what your professors taught you. Selling halfwits on the idea of central planning and collectivization gets them to vote for their own eventual slavery.(and shortens my lifespan)Personally; I'm not going willingly to any govt. funded "reeducation opportunity"

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

When that nano energy-matter transmutation technology is perfected (and claimed by the state/nation/nwo) then we will see a return to the gold standard (where the supply of gold and thus the money supply can be controlled [ie increased] at will).

I will tell you this...GOLD has a greater value as being an Element that is used in High Tech devices. We are no where near to understanding the Unified Field Theory never mind...even if we evolved mentally...say 10,000 years...to be able to understand it...I would say we would need another 5000 years to figure out how to use it! LOL!

Star Trek was a great show and many real life tech. came from that show...but being able to store a Humans Memory or if there is one a SOUL in the Pattern Buffers as they call them...as if you break down the Matter of a Human Body...convert it to energy...then Beam it down to the surface of a Planet....the person who is reduced to energy...DIES! The person who is rematerialized on the Planets surface...is not the same person...and to have the ability to even be able to duplicate the previous individuals memories...it is still a copy.

So as far as plugging in my GOLD MAKING MACHINE...it will continue to be a GUITAR! LOL! Split Infinity

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I haven't read replies yet, but I'm thoroughly confused by the OP. First really confusing item is the idea of "Socialist / Communist / Fascist" - what the heck is that? Fascism is extremist far-right, Socialism is extremist far-left. I mean, can you really have both concurrently?

From what I've seen, for decades now, both the Democrats and the Republicans in the U.S. lean far more toward fasicm than Socialism (despite the hype to the uneducated and unaware put out there in the media of the "Red Scare" - can a nation truly be sliding into socialism when the majority of its economic policies benefit international corporate interests, to the detriment of the masses? Not only do we lean more toward fasicm, which is obvious if you are aware if reality, not Newspeak, and know wahat Fascism is, but there is a clear goal from Dems and Reps toward more of a neo-fuedalist society.

I just think the article is a crock of bull, and I think anyone who truly thinks we are or are headed anywhere near Socialism is someone who has been thoroughly and completely duped by the best marketing machine ever known to man.

Because a revolution in a homogenous small former US colony is the same as a revolution across an entire multi cultural continent that will, without doubt, also involve Mexico and Canada, and by proxy, South America.

Yeaaa....

Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Capitalism is the disease that must be eradicated!

In a Communist Utopia there is no need for government, no need for property, no need for money.

The example of government and life in Star Trek is as close to a Communist Utopia as possible. Improving one's self and improving others is the only goal in life.

After reading this I think I am going to go kill myself.

No really.

"Capitalism is bad and Communism is good because Star Trek is awesome!"

You are the kind of person that is the death of my once great country

reply to post by sheepslayer247

Socialism is nothing more than a group of people collaborating or sharing resources in order to provide a need or service for all people involved.

Police is socialism.
Fire dept is socialism.
Streets are socialism

and on and on and on........the word socialism is also another word, like communism, that is being used to scare the masses into knee-jerk responses that benefit those disseminating propaganda for their own gain.

Thank you. I'm so tired of people condemning socialism. It's only a way to make sure everyone is looked after...and it is NOT communism.
Sorry, OP, but, there's nothing wrong with pure socialism.
IMO

reply to post by dogstar23

I just think the article is a crock of bull, and I think anyone who truly thinks we are or are headed anywhere near Socialism is someone who has been thoroughly and completely duped by the best marketing machine ever known to man.

what what what i agree with the majority of your post on ats but this one crosses the ignorance line.
respective of your numerous other views i agree with get a grip.

I think Mr.Lara is correct. You guy's should read the ulsterman report this week. He had the wall street insider and what he called a military insider interview. According to the Military guy. This all started in the clinton adminstration. Bush administration was involved as well. This indoctrination has been going on for year's. It's not just starting with Obama. Though Obama may bring it to it's logical conclusion.

reply to post by wildtimes

Thank you. I'm so tired of people condemning socialism. It's only a way to make sure everyone is looked after...and it is NOT communism.
Sorry, OP, but, there's nothing wrong with pure socialism.
IMO

Perhaps so.

But what happens after the money runs out or gets completely mis-handled and out of control ?

The European Union seems to be on that edge right about now.

The "Socialist" systems are in trouble.

What follows the breakdown ?

The U.S. is also in dire straits.

What is the "Next Step" ?

Both the far left and the far right have a sinister agenda; the irony of ironies is that they work together. Two extremes, perhaps perfectly blended in socialist states like Syria and Saddam's Iraq. Islamism and Communism, the far left's atheistic spiritualism and moral relativism with Islamist fundamentalism; all senses tell you they should be implacable enemies, yet, they cooperate and facilitate each other...or, conversely, the far left has the hubris to think it can contain and control the explosiveness of resurgent Islam.

Take Obama chumming up to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt; when he was elected, where was the first place he spoke?? In the newly elected Islamist government of Turkey. And then in 2010 he heads off to Egypt to speak at Al Azhar University - an Islamist stronghold.

And Obama happens to be the president in power during Islamist takeover of Egypt two years later. And now, in Syria, Islamist factions are forcing Christians out of the country while they vie for control of Syria against al assad. Islamists are on the crescendo which has much to do with American foreign policy.

Obama is an alinskyite which already makes loud and clear his socialist-communist sympathies. What's really disturbing besides his socialist-communist proclivities is his relationship with Islam.

At a metaphysical level, there is a bizarre yet plausible interweaving between the extreme left and the extreme right; they both express the same 'absolutism' - the former wanting a world without boundaries, without distinction (whether moral, national etc) while the latter want the same thing except under the banners of Islam. There is so much agreement between the sufi conception of Allah - being both Godhead AND creator, which effectively obviates the relevance of the created order by establishing the fatalism of the absolute in the world of time and space, with the gnostic metamodern doctrine of the new left which seeks a similar elimination of distinctions in the world.

One wonders how this will end up. The far left is sleeping with the Islamists. Russia initiated this process in Egypt, Syria, Iraq and elsewhere. The Islamists apparently saw no contradiction between Islam and socialism. In fact, Islam and socialism are natural bedmates. What Islam does not neatly cozy up with is liberal democracy - with american ideals based primarily on Judeo-Christian values.

I'll have more to say on this later.

Originally posted by nightstalker46
reply to post by JiggyPotamus

 

I keep seeing this utopian delusion that true communism is different from past communist "experiments" and the assumption is if "we could just entrench the pure form of it" the great utopia could manifest.

What would think if you knew that Marx was from the Rothchild lineage and was commissioned to write his grand "manifesto" as a tool of the global banking families. Would you begin to see the deception of his movement??

theinfounderground.com...

None of you textbook Marxist were ever taught this. Who among you have researched this?

No doubt you'll respond with " it's all BS", instead of using some critical thinking. Are you really convinced that trashing the constitution to implement a Rothchild Manifesto will benefit anyone but the bankers?????

Very possible about the Marx / Rothschild connection.

There is evidence.

Also might help explain why all the "commie" attempts seem to amazingly stall after the money is under control and looted by the ones who by "self proclamation" are the best suited to get to the "Utopia" !!

Clever actually. They set up a "Utopia" scenario by devastating everything first.

I wonder why they don't just go right into the Utopia and skip over the "10 Planks"

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by SG-17
If this is true (and I severely doubt it) I would have to say ABOUT DAMN TIME.

I see, so you are one of them who has accepted the indoctrination fully... nice knowing you...

BTW, if you like socialism/communism so much why haven't you moved to a country that has fully embraced it instead of wanting another nation to fall into another leftwinger dictatorship?...

Oh, yeah, because capitalism hasn't been manipulated into oppressing the People.

It's easy to slam communism when there hasn't been a single legitimate example of it being run properly and uncorrupted as the philosophy is truly intended on a massive scale. China, Soviet Russia, Cuba etc. are not examples of communist countries anymore than America is a capitalist one, according to definition.

Capitalism might give you the "opportunity" to have fancy things and attain an illusory sense of success and materialistic fulfillment, but you're still a slave under the boots of fascist men just like the people of any of the communist countries you might suggest fans of communism move to.

Just because you don't see the dictator doesn't mean you're Free. That said, I don't necessarily disagree with you on this subject because the brand of 'communism' these pigs want to transition to is nothing but a distorted and sick Orwellian socialist System which will be much worse than the current one for obvious reasons. But don't make the mistake of thinking you're not oppressed just because you're allowed to pick your oppressor. Maybe you are the one who should contemplate your own indoctrinated views and opinions, and make sure that you yourself fully understand the situation we all live in.

Peace, brother. I mean no disrespect, I just vehemently disagree with your idea of who the enemy is here.

reply to post by TheAnarchist

I am an Independent Registered Voter and one thing I have noticed...and I dislike both of the two major political parties...is the Dems...constantly becoming to a greater extent...the Political Party that is Becoming associated with BIG BROTHER!

I mean...a kid can't even ride his bike in some states without a Helmet...a person must wear a seat belt...and they seem to be inching their way deeper and deeper into everyone's personal business.

I have no love for the GOP as they give TAX BREAKS to Multi-Billion Dollar Corps...but LIBERAL has turned into...LIBERAL to watch what you are doing! Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by TheAnarchist

 

I am an Independent Registered Voter and one thing I have noticed...and I dislike both of the two major political parties...is the Dems...constantly becoming to a greater extent...the Political Party that is Becoming associated with BIG BROTHER!

I mean...a kid can't even ride his bike in some states without a Helmet...a person must wear a seat belt...and they seem to be inching their way deeper and deeper into everyone's personal business.

I have no love for the GOP as they give TAX BREAKS to Multi-Billion Dollar Corps...but LIBERAL has turned into...LIBERAL to watch what you are doing! Split Infinity

Seatbelt laws and helmet laws save money for society... don't be selfish, wear a seatbelt...

reply to post by wildtimes

I'd certainly agree there is nothing wrong with pure socialism. One need only look at the success in the Northern European nations. It does work and works without communism being a part. Thats the only exception to the rule of those going together that I am aware has worked, but they absolutely have been the shining example.

Going by their population numbers, it works and people generally seem to agree with the whole thing. There wasn't a tradition and core set of principles which absolutely run counter to Socialism, because everything we're founded on moves toward encouraging individualism. The two systems are what seems to be what they are trying to meld, but it's as disastrous as Russia's first attempts to only reform communism into open markets. It's a fail trying to morph from either direction.

If people like Socialism, fine. I have no argument...but until America has had some form of national discussion on this with open and honest terms of what the choice means, then it's simply not what America is about, is founded on or currently has laws set to encourage (despite Obama's best efforts). Until that ALL changes...folks who like that system need to go to Northern Europe, where it does exist.

Let me toss this idea out there.


Earlier in this thread I asked "how" something like this could occur.

I think I found an answer.

In order to enact martial law and have a ruler versus a president WHILE having the populace embrace the idea is this.

Destroy the power grid.

In another thread, people talked of how fragile our power grid actually is. Knock that out, and as another poster stated, people would be begging for FEMA camps within a month.

QED

Oh, government? We're on to you now.