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Originally posted by MrTheOutspoken
Originally posted by flexy123
Originally posted by prophetboy12
I will not even read your thread. with all of the s--t hitting the fan and the unrest, if you do not believe that we need more God then you are simply a fool. But that is your right.
This is the problem! People focusing too much on their god (whatever name he might have)...at the same time forgetting there are more important thing (I MEAN IT)..start with the human person next to you.
We do not need "more god", we need more people learning how we as HUMANS live with each other....a "religion" where the focus is HUMANS, teaches values such as compassion, peace etc... not some "god" or making it the utmost priority to "talk to god". And..who knows..maybe you would actually experience your god or find out what giod is by starting to learn to care etc. for actual humans.
Originally posted by bigcountry08
This is one of the most hypocritical posts I've seen in a long time first you state that.
why do we perpetuate the story of Religion?
The ideal, that when we die, believing, loving, and obedient to god we get to go to heaven removes a sense of responsibility and care from our lives. This notion, that no matter what god has our backs, prevents many individuals from truly doing everything in their powers to take care of themselves. As well this notion, that all the evil in the world is the work of a devil is even worse. Again, we take the responsibility away from man, and place it on a fictional character.
basically your entire post is about bashing christianity and muslims stating that they are rediculouse and stupied and that there is no proof that either are true and that we should get rid of "all religion".
Then we get to your third from the last paragraph which made me laugh. Your talking about a new religion !!!!!! one where you can do what ever you want throughout your whole life because there are no consequences, because when you die you go to another dimention or something hmmm... sounds like your heaven to me. basically what this post comes down to is another person who finds it to scary to believe in something thats more powerful than them and if they wont follow they will be punished. But they still want that safty net knowing that when they die it wont be over for them.
Not to be to harsh or anything but stop being a wuss and choose to be agnostic or not. you can't have your cake and eat it too.
from a christian.
Originally posted by ottobot
I've got to agree with AfterInfinity on this one.
While the folks who blindly follow their religious leaders (not the actual book they claim to use for guidance) are ruining the world for all of us, the folks who are living spiritual lives are making the world better for all of us.
There is a very clear difference between religious and spiritual.
With religion or doctrine-based belief of any kind (some sciences included), you see close-mindedness like nowhere else. You see disdain for the "lesser minds" and "weak souls" who don't believe the same way.
With (true) spirituality, you see acceptance for others and other people's beliefs.
There are many types and degrees of religious, spiritual, and scientific beliefs.
Personally, I feel like they are all the same thing: a way to find answers and bring comfort to our lonely human existence.
The key is to realize that we will never have all the answers because our brains aren't yet evolved enough to perceive all aspects of our reality.
Live and let live; just make sure you're actually Living, not hiding from life.
Originally posted by Ilyich
Originally posted by MrTheOutspoken
I'm just going to say no I have never studied satanism, but I do feel I am a little more well informed about what "Satanism" (luciferianism) is compared to most religious types. From the Jyst of it, I got those who follow the keeper of light, have very similar thoughts, morals and ideals as any other church, just with some added freedoms most churches completely and utterly won't stand for. Too many " Satanist" labels are thrown at peoples in cults, magick and ceremonial organizations and it really muddies the water for what it really is.
I will now repeat something I said earlier, from death comes new life. I truly feel men all over the world are mislead by religion, every religions feels they are the right religion, and that their god is the almighty.
I've seen others here say I am bashing God. No, I am after the religion aspect. I have beliefs too, they are a little different, and follow more of my own learning and discoveries through my time here. I believe full well as it can be proven the very same energy in me, you, your children, my future children, this computer, the air, the universe is the same. We have recently begun to understand how energy can be come solid matter, we understand impulses in the brain, and nerve synapses are energy. Energy is everywhere, and i understand it is the source and life with in EVERYTHING. So do I believe in a god, sort of. I believe in a source, what ever you all wish to call him is your own personal belief and I am not going to tell you not to do it.
However, when a group tells children what to believe from birth, and that's others thoughts and opinions are wrong I have a problem.
I realize this may sound hypocritical to some, but does your own bibles/holy books not sound ridiculous to anyone? Your comandments/rules to live by, tell you such wonderful things and yet so many don't follow them unless the person is another of their religion, or willing to become part of that religion. Why must we argue over it? Why is it important what we call him,her, it? So much of the importance of the teachings is burried in long lasting disputes,hatreds towards each other and the books themselves keep it going, as do the religions. If we can all agree, there is a source somewhere/everywhere, and we can all learn to appreciate and love each other unconditionally as religion tells you to do, but then directs to God. Things would be better! I've tried to warmly accept every ones posts, and I am trying to upset you believe you, because I feel I'm not going to get you to understand where I come from, and with out that emotion your not growing yourselves. Throwing regurgitated scripture at me makes you all robots. Insert command, receive response. Please, be people. We are all people.
If we can all agree, there is a source somewhere/everywhere, and we can all learn to appreciate and love each other unconditionally as religion tells you to do, but then directs to God. Things would be better! I've tried to warmly accept every ones posts, and I am trying to upset you believe you, because I feel I'm not going to get you to understand where I come from, and with out that emotion your not growing yourselves. Throwing regurgitated scripture at me makes you all robots. Insert command, receive response. Please, be people. We are all people.
Originally posted by Andromedabound
reply to post by Ilyich
I don't think you want an end to religion, you want an end to belief in God altogether from what I can gather?
Well I'm sorry but you are well in the minority on that one.
If you want to know why babies are born without arms and legs? Easy - karma and reincarnation. Not God working in mysterious ways.... Us doing bad stuff and then blaming God.
If you deny God, you welcome ignorance with open arms. Good luck with it.edit on 1-8-2012 by Andromedabound because: Expletive
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Ilyich
Thank you thank you thank you, and Namaste!
I'm sorry I missed your earlier post, I did read it and I can try to make a double whammy here for you! I am not ignoring or missed you, but I must have closed the quote thinking I had already replied. I have read the Ghita, so I know a little bit about Hinduism, a small bit about buddhism. I am wasn't trying to imply that all religions are against science, how ever I do feel a great deal of religions have played their parts in hindering certain fields of science.
I enjoy much of what many religions teach, and I can appreciate some of their teachings, I can not how ever understand some of the interpretations. I have always looked up to the Llama with great admiration, and as much as I have problems with a majority of religions the east has a better grasp than about ohhhh 75% of the west. I have the least problems with Buddhism, how ever I do have a few things I have difficulty with. I can greatly appreciate the ideas with in buddhism that is up to man to find god through inner peace and understanding, and through that the understanding of the world around him, and through such becoming closer to their idea of " God. " One of the things, I appreciate most about buddhism is that god is with in all of us in a way, and that through appreciating ourselves and all that is around us we can become next to/with "god"
I have noticed this as well, but it was with intention I provoked the beast. I felt I needed to express my emotions in an inquisitive provocative manner to receive true emotional responses. I believe in a lot of sense religion teaches absence of emotion, and "Blind faith"(it's so true.) that they forget the most important part of what they are taught. I always thought the golden rule was taught in kindergarden " Treat others as you would like to be treated." I appreciate the reading material!! I'm always looking for new things to learn, and trying to experience all things through all perspectives. Kind of another point of this thread.
"Anyway, I get what you're saying, and I'm sorry people are getting all upset at you; it was an honest premise, and an interesting (if volatile and controversial) OP. Only a suggestion and opinion from a young man who is part of the future leaders of the world. Upon you all hang our very hope for survival and growth toward something better, and good, and peaceful.
Don't cave in, and don't stop asking -- don't stop challenging the status quo...and kudos to your parents"
I appreciate the warm thoughts, and as much as this has had some overwhelming, frustrating moments, it was what I intended it to be. Sometimes to get to the truth we have to get emotional. www.youtube.com...
I appreciate your comments on being the leaders of tomorrow. If I could do one thing to change the world, it would be to put the world back in the hands of the many, rather than the few.
Thank you so much for bringing peace and civility to a chaotic ride! I appreciate all the support, your comments and thank you for reading.
Namaste, Blessed Be, and have a wonderful day.
edit on 8/1/2012 by Ilyich because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by AlreadyGone
Amidst your rant, was a little gem.
You believe after death..."that there is something"... you just do not know what it is.
Many people believe there is something, and in their minds they DO know what it is. Their expression is one of the elements of what makes up religion or religions around the world.
One person see a piece of meat but is not sure of what it is.
Another person sees a frankfurter and it should be served with kraut.
Another sees a sausage and it should be served with potatoes and onions.
Yet another sees a hotdog and it should be served on a bun with mustard and chilli.
Still another refuses to see anything because they are vegan and don't like meat.
Same thing, just different ways of approaching it or not approaching it at all.
I like my religion with chilli, mustard, onions, and slaw... with a serving of fries drowned in ketchup... 'two all the way!"
I have always looked up to the Llama with great admiration, and as much as I have problems with a majority of religions the east has a better grasp than about ohhhh 75% of the west. I have the least problems with Buddhism, how ever I do have a few things I have difficulty with. I can greatly appreciate the ideas with in buddhism that is up to man to find god through inner peace and understanding, and through that the understanding of the world around him, and through such becoming closer to their idea of " God. " One of the things, I appreciate most about buddhism is that god is with in all of us in a way, and that through appreciating ourselves and all that is around us we can become next to/with "god"
Originally posted by ottobot
reply to post by Ilyich
So, what is the solution?
Removing religion is treating the symptom, not the illness.
The "illness", in this case, is fear.
People are driven to ritualistic or pre-dictated behavior because they are looking for meaning in their lives. Most people don't want to think for themselves, and don't want to be responsible for mistakes they make. People are afraid, so people huddle together under the safety net of belief - making themselves feel important by separating themselves from others.
When we see this affecting the world at large, we are seeing the actions of zealots, not the general populace of believers.
If we look at the religion as "a specific set of beliefs and practices agreed upon by a number of persons or sects", then we must include all manner of groupings people prefer to categorize themselves by. This would include atheism, Darwinism, "Foodie"-ism, anarchism (and, as you mentioned, any other type of political group), mysticism, scientific belief systems, and so on.
Now, obviously, most people who describe themselves as "non-religious" would balk at and be offended by the insinuation that their disbelief in commonly accepted religion is a religion unto itself... But, really, we can see this demonstrated on ATS very clearly when we look at threads which discuss Christianity vs. Atheism. Both groups - "Christians" and "Atheists" - are vehement that their belief systems are correct, that there are no other truths, that they have "proof" of their beliefs, degradation of anyone who voices dissent, etc. Realistically, there is no difference in their behavior, just a difference in which deity (God vs. Science) is worshiped.
So, then, we must ask: Why do we cling to these beliefs so stubbornly? Why do we make these beliefs so integral to our identities that we do not know how to exist without them?
Why are we so afraid of not knowing the answers?
The truth is, humans do not like to feel powerless.
By removing the crutch of religion (commonly accepted belief systems of all types), we remove the identities of the majority of all humans.
So, what happens then?
What, then, would these humans who are stripped bare and left without their safe beliefs or identities do?
Congregate into groups to defend themselves against other groups by any means necessary.
Human fear is religion.
To remove religion, we will have to remove our instincts and our humanity.
Who are we then?