The Internet Map - NSA and AboveTopSecret are Neighbors

reply to post by Pervius


Pervius, the first half is correct and a good angle, but the 2nd half you confused the corporate entities.

"The Above Network, LLC" is the ATS corporate owner, whereas "AboveNet, Inc." is part of the tiered internet bandwidth network infrastructure.

Note another difference, ATS corporate owner "The Above Network, LLC" isn't publicly listed in a stock market for share trading, while the "AboveNet, Inc." does.

"The Above Network, LLC" is a Delaware registered corporation, legal native offices at Connecticut and has its main public relations office in Arizona.

It's been quite obvious that some types of agents have been members here for years.

This easily validates that.

Dis-info agent logs into his website in the morning (pm..whnever his shift starts) and next thing he does is log in to his ATS member account to steer thread topics in desired direction.

Why is this so difficult for some to comprehend?

Information is power. Public opinion matters. If thoughts and perceptions can be manipulated, agendas can be carried out. This is corporate and military basics 101.

So what is the official ATS staff standpoint on this?

Sofar we had Neforemore here telling people to leave if they don't like it, but I would like to see how staff explains this apparent connection between NSA.gov and ATS.

Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by WoodSpirit
So what is the official ATS staff standpoint on this?

Sofar we had Neforemore here telling people to leave if they don't like it, but I would like to see how staff explains this apparent connection between NSA.gov and ATS.

Thanks in advance.

edit on 27-11-2012 by WoodSpirit because: (no reason given)

In the early days I was told many times I could take a hike if I didn't like ATS. Umm, like what? Oh, oh, wait a minute, If I didn't like, err, what?

there is no connection, there is no color coding, there is nothing to like or dislike. The only thing ats and nsa have in common, are they both use letters from the English language. And besides, neither one exists. Just ask them.

Originally posted by neformore
simply, choosing to be spectacularly obtuse.

Question - How can one assume as a general rule that communicating obtusely is a choice when the definition of obtuse is subjective and entirely dependent on the audience (in this example, yourself, Sir)?

Could it be that individual interpretations of information are not necessarily correlated due to individual experience and the resultant dissonance of awareness subsequently results in a collaborative posting environment which has on many occasions arrived at the correct answer (the games SO has put on is a prime example even if the theme is mostly based on pattern/math rather than emotive expression). Isn't that very nature of the poster here on this site why we first expressed interest in contributing to discussion...to be a part of the process that arrives at the general or specific answers?

So why is contextual questioning (the relationship between this site and the nsa) now a means for the expression of oppressive rhetoric? Why can't the answer be as simple as website traffic correlation? Could it be possible that the answer is as simple as the fact that there is a very real conspiracy, or many aspects of one, that has been discussed on this site and the nsa tuned in? Such a scenario absolves ATS from being directly related and could redirect the discussion to figuring out why.

I get your reasoning and I support it. But maybe, in the quest to maintain some ill defined status quo, you may have forgotten why conversation here rocks...or can rock. My hat is off to you for a difficult job but...

Cheers...

One more time... from a previous post

(The data comes from the web-tracking firm Alexa, circa the end of 2011).

Alexa.com is an Amazon-owned, Microsoft-powered Search Engine that measures traffic-popularity based on a sampling of about 10 million users.

Alexa traffic rating is based on visitors with the Alexa toolbar installed or an Alexa cookie in their cache.

Think of Alexa as a rating system much like TV. They are using a small sample of the population and showing you statistics.

It's based on tracking a few people.

Originally posted by dayve
Also next to cancer.org....... Oboy....

In orbit around constellation Linkedin.com

Luckily we are far removed from the IRS. Checkout the job search engine Constellation.

Oddly though it seems like abovetopsecret.com is in the suburbs of the internet. Between infomercials, mom and pop websites, survivalist websites, a few esoteric websites. Odd that the NSA is far removed from the government cluster, very, very odd.

P.S

The Southern Part of the map is very "interesting"

Originally posted by WoodSpirit
So what is the official ATS staff standpoint on this?

Sofar we had Neforemore here telling people to leave if they don't like it, but I would like to see how staff explains this apparent connection between NSA.gov and ATS.

Thanks in advance.

edit on 27-11-2012 by WoodSpirit because: (no reason given)

So lets say they were part of a NSA intel collection website....do you think they would come out and say it?

I really don't care if they are or not. I am sure I have been online enough, and made my ideals known that if they want to get me, they know where to find me.

"Which Websites Are Under NSA surveillance – This May Shock You!!!"

______beforeitsnews/blogging-citizen-journalism/2013/06/which-websites-are-under-nsa-surveillance-this-may-shock-you-2448118.html

If disinfo.com is part of the NSA monitored sites (and in my opinion disinfo.com is very unpopular compared to here), you can take a guess as to whether this site is,

reply to post by pyramidikal


I already checked it using that app, ATS isn't part of it. Neither are several other conservative forums. Though I have found all the social media sites are.

Originally posted by Komodo
just ..

wanted to bump this and say ..

yep .. we knew this already !!

Thanks for the bump. That link in the OP is awesome.

Originally posted by Komodo
just ..

wanted to bump this and say ..

yep .. we knew this already !!

Holy moley, I am going to read through this topic,

If reading it, take the time to understand it and what it implies:

Like any other map, The Internet map is a scheme displaying objects’ relative position; but unlike real maps (e.g. the map of the Earth) or virtual maps (e.g. the map of Mordor), the objects shown on it are not aligned on a surface. Mathematically speaking, The Internet map is a bi-dimensional presentation of links between websites on the Internet. Every site is a circle on the map, and its size is determined by website traffic, the larger the amount of traffic, the bigger the circle. Users’ switching between websites forms links, and the stronger the link, the closer the websites tend to arrange themselves to each other.

Importantly, clusters on the map are semantically charged, i.e. they join websites together according to their content. For example, a vast porno cluster can be seen between Brazil and Japan as well as a host of minor clusters uniting websites of the same field or similar purposes.

From the about section of the site itself

Abovetopsecret.com, according to the map is closer to 1eyedeel.com ( A site for the Parramatta Eels Rugby League club. ) and ukcosmetics.com - than to the NSA website.

Originally posted by Hefficide

If reading it, take the time to understand it and what it implies:

Importantly, clusters on the map are semantically charged, i.e. they join websites together according to their content. For example, a vast porno cluster can be seen between Brazil and Japan as well as a host of minor clusters uniting websites of the same field or similar purposes.

From the about section of the site itself

I saw no sites like that? Closest thing i saw on there was "spicylingerie.com" lol....

The "Hub" has got to be on there some where.... The "Hub" should be number 1 biggest.... maybe behind google. Definitely top 5... ha

Originally posted by Hefficide

If reading it, take the time to understand it and what it implies:

Like any other map, The Internet map is a scheme displaying objects’ relative position; but unlike real maps (e.g. the map of the Earth) or virtual maps (e.g. the map of Mordor), the objects shown on it are not aligned on a surface. Mathematically speaking, The Internet map is a bi-dimensional presentation of links between websites on the Internet. Every site is a circle on the map, and its size is determined by website traffic, the larger the amount of traffic, the bigger the circle. Users’ switching between websites forms links, and the stronger the link, the closer the websites tend to arrange themselves to each other.

Importantly, clusters on the map are semantically charged, i.e. they join websites together according to their content. For example, a vast porno cluster can be seen between Brazil and Japan as well as a host of minor clusters uniting websites of the same field or similar purposes.

From the about section of the site itself

Abovetopsecret.com, according to the map is closer to 1eyedeel.com ( A site for the Parramatta Eels Rugby League club. ) and ukcosmetics.com - than to the NSA website.

*looks at Heff*

but, we're talking the NSA site being close to ATS..

not the other way around .. you can call it semantics but, NSA is still close to ATS, in fact, from mere observation, you could seriously say they are good neighbors.. just calling it like I see it ..

I hope this was a meaning full response and not considered a one liner ..

reply to post by Komodo


With all due respect here... Your interpretation of "close to" seems to be leading you to incorrect conclusions - implying that you do not understand the semantic and linking correlation between the sites.

Well unless the staff here are actually all NSA agents with cancer, a penchant for make-up, and HUGE fans of a rugby team to boot.

The map does not imply that the servers are connected or anything of that nature.

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Komodo

 

With all due respect here... Your interpretation of "close to" seems to be leading you to incorrect conclusions - implying that you do not understand the semantic and linking correlation between the sites.

Well unless the staff here are actually all NSA agents with cancer, a penchant for make-up, and HUGE fans of a rugby team to boot.

The map does not imply that the servers are connected or anything of that nature.

I'm not saying the servers are linked, but the traffic is ..

just making a observation

The Internet map is a bi-dimensional presentation of links between websites on the Internet. Every site is a circle on the map, and its size is determined by website traffic, the larger the amount of traffic, the bigger the circle. Users’ switching between websites forms links, and the stronger the link, the closer the websites tend to arrange themselves to each other.

this is the coolest thing ive ever found on the internet.

a map of the internet.

cool concept.

I'd have to agree with Heff on this. As ATS members we already "knew" there were disinfo agents parusing the threads, that's a give in. Alternatively, that has no relation to the Owner's of this site, nore the mods. Ironically, both are possible and Nefomore is absolutely correct, if you don't like it leave.

I'm sure the recent fluxuation in Internet traffic due to NSA's snooping accross the board has many new members and old cross referencing and visiting the NSA site as well.

I understand where's Heff's quote are going and soundly logical, though speculation and the nature of this site will cause all of us to question 1000 times over, until the dog is just a quivering sac of broken bones...