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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
The battle between collectivists and individualists has existed for sometime now and Obama didn't invent it, he is merely carrying the banner for the collectivists in this country at this time. He does, however, have as much right to free speech as any person does and it should never have surprised anyone that he was a collectivist. I think perhaps the primary problem that exists today in the battle between collectivism and individualism is that individualists don't generally run for public office, nor do the regularly engage in propaganda for some individualist type movement as such a notion would be antithetical to the principles of individualism.
The individualist will see through collectivist propaganda and indoctrination. They are not the ones who easily fall prey to collectivist indoctrination. Individualists are not known as followers. Followers look for a leader to follow and Obama foots the bill for many followers. Individuals tend to build businesses and enterprise, followers tend to work for those individuals. There are more followers than there are leaders in this regard. The collectivist leader understands it is a numbers game. This is why "democracy" is so admired and vaunted in American politics, it is a tool for collectivists and they want their followers to believe that their numbers can justify any action at any time as long as the "majority" is in agreement on the action and time.
"There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That's an important thing.... I know that you recognize that a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the banks, the investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help."
Originally posted by theplu
It would appear that Mitt Romney agrees with the sentiment!
Vid of Romney saying the same thing
Here's what Romney said in a speech not long after...
"There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That's an important thing.... I know that you recognize that a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the banks, the investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help."
Even Romney says something truthful once in awhile...
Originally posted by theplu
reply to post by Aninonymous
I was a VFX artist on major motion pictures up until this past May when I was told that I could keep my job if I moved to Canada. The government didn't send my job away from the US... The Hollywood studios forced it out of the country so they can get rebates from the Canadian government. Jobs do not exist just to make employees happy. Your Utopian vision assumes that business owners give a crap about the people who do the work. Most don't.
Originally posted by theplu
reply to post by 2manyquestions
I am trying to start my own business so I don't have to chase my job around anymore. I'm fairly certain that within 5-10 years, Canada will fall out of favor for my industry and then it's on to Singapore where companies are already starting up. Perhaps I would have gone to Canada if the location wasn't THE most expensive city in North America. Also, the company that I worked for doesn't get any benefit from moving up there. They are being forced to do so by the studios who do get the benefit. If the VFX facilities want to play the game, they do what the studios tell them to. But since most movies these days are VFX heavy, you would think the people doing the work would hold all the cards. It makes no sense.
I never said that it's the government's job to keep me employed. I was responding to another poster's Utopian vision that included people making TV shows and movies working just for the love of the work. The artists and programmers in the VFX and animation industries do love their work... To the point where it is difficult to impossible to have any kind of normal life outside of work. But there comes a time in life where just working all the time isn't enough. It's not enough for me, as a human being and it apparently isn't enough to the company either. My point was that companies don't employ people out of the goodness of their hearts. They create jobs out of necessity. But if there is no one left who can afford the product or service they're selling, then sales go down and companies have to find other ways to keep their profits going which means to cut back from employees. It's a pretty vicious cycle that is getting us nowhere but down the tubes. It's the race to the bottom.
Originally posted by 2manyquestions
"Government invented the internet, they put in the research so businesses then could make money off it".... ummm....... Government didn't invent a damned thing. A few smart, hard-working, industrious people invented the internet
Originally posted by 2manyquestions
Then Obama comes in and says "Government invented the internet, they put in the research so businesses then could make money off it".... ummm.......
Originally posted by theplu
reply to post by Aninonymous
I was a VFX artist on major motion pictures up until this past May when I was told that I could keep my job if I moved to Canada. The government didn't send my job away from the US... The Hollywood studios forced it out of the country so they can get rebates from the Canadian government. Jobs do not exist just to make employees happy. Your Utopian vision assumes that business owners give a crap about the people who do the work. Most don't.
Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
reply to post by 2manyquestions
Let's get to the point here. You are a liar and a shill. Those "I was hopeful" or "I used to be a Dem" posts are so transparent.
You are nothing but a TeaBag . . . something of which not to be proud.
The enemy of America, the dying enemy of America, is Conservatism. I have one word for you .. demographics. =) TeaBags will never be permitted to run America. Conservatism is dying. YOU are the enemy and will be so treted.
And . .. no . .. no one built a business all by themselves. Absolutely NO ONE.
Just watch this thread, those lefties can't help but out themselves.
no one built a business all by themselves. Absolutely NO ONE.