What are the most commonly used excuses to debunk UFO's?

"What are the most commonly used excuses to debunk UFO's?"

Common sense.
Reason.
Rationality.
Logic.
Awareness.
Understanding.
Facts.

Originally posted by demongoat

at least we know chinese lanterns, missiles and other things exist and plenty of times people have misidentified them as something else.

That's a fair point although some of the USAF debunks found here are absolutely hilarious so I can see why some folks (including me) are incredibly dubious of 'official' UFO explanations.

Have a look through the cases - in one incident the US Government expects people to believe the planet Venus can give you sunburn.

Cheers.

reply to post by torsion


Yes just like the MOD when they claimed an hour long film of a UFO in broad daylight was "A meteor". One can only be heartened that our country's safety is in the hands of such intellectual giants.

Originally posted by FireMoon
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Yes just like the MOD when they claimed an hour long film of a UFO in broad daylight was "A meteor". One can only be heartened that our country's safety is in the hands of such intellectual giants.

I'm not familiar with this case. Any links to documents or the video?

Swamp gas
Chinese lanterns
black government projects
balloons
radio controlled airplanes

Originally posted by RadioactiveRob

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
OP is trolling.

So you think that everything that is unidentified is a visiting alien then?

edit on 25-7-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

No I don't. I just think it's ridiculous that EVERY single sighting is always "debunked" by one of the excuses on that list, it's like some people can't entertain for even a moment that "hey, that's something extraordinary, maybe it can't be explained away by the stereotypical debunk lines", it's always gotta fit in some mundane category. I personally think its ridiculous and worthy of mockery. We know there's something more to this phenomena, were not stupid.

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So your perception is that the world is full of extraordinary events as opposed to mis identified NORMAL events. that people never mistake what they see and everything is literally as it appears.......

An alien craft is easy to identify : It will be at least several metres across and as such it will fill most of the frame in a photograph. Most mis identified objects are recorded on about 10-100 pixels of the millions!!!!!! DUH! If somebody was to witness the craft putting it beyond doubt and mis identification they will see details on the craft, eg lettering (or rather unintelligible symbols unless there is a conspiracy to cover-up the fact that all aliens speak english). If all they see is a glowing object of whatever colour without any detail then they are too far away to make a judgement.

How come aliens can fly their craft in our airspace at an equidistance from everybody on the ground! How come nobody is ever close enough to see the detail......maybe because they are not alien craft. Shock horror.

Guess what mundane events are NORMAL maybe that's the problem here you desperately need events to be not mundane.

Please note there is nothing I would rather see than an alien craft land on earth and little green men pop out and say greetings in whatever language they speak. There is nothing to stop them and the world is a vastly different place than Eisenhowers days so that can''t be used as an excuse.

Originally posted by xpoq47
Polaroid taken with a police camera by an officer dispatched to the scene in response to about 30 calls, with total number of witnesses estimated at 300. Nine more were snapped as the object darted away. This photo was examined by German MUFON. So which debunk story applies?

crappy photo with a vague story and unverifiable claims.....

OH!!!! I should take your word for it and believe everything at face value and not ask any questions or listen to any opposing view points.

wow...an amazing undebunkable ufo story!

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Don't forget witness testimony......If the person is on blood pressure medication, they are no longer credible because they have been medicated!!

Don't forget about people throwing a dinner plate or soccer ball or a hat up in the air and taking a photo of it in flight!!

The normal debunkers on here are usually one of the first posts in a new thread and say the same stuff every time with no evidence.....I just read right past them and go to the more educated people on the topic.

Normally someone who posts some sort of evidence.....Even if it is proved fake or not a UFO, that would be who I read into the most, because they did some homework to prove their stance.....

The post -- It looks CGI'd.....You can blow right past them unless they tell you why...

There were only 2 witnesses?? With a 3 minute video?? Why not 10 minute video with 30 witnesses?? Oh it must be fake then....lol

But don't forget in your list....

Dust on the lens
Bugs
A person's hat
dinner plate
ball lightning
satellite

The list could actually just keep on going on and on.....

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein

Don't forget witness testimony......

People lie, embelish, misperceive, hallucinate. "Witness testimony" is often NOT witnress testiomony but the interpretation and rephrasing by ufologists or journalists which is then taken as fact by eager believers. There may be 300 witnesses to some light in the sky but it takes only ONE to color in this light as a fantastic alien craft from beyond....we can then take the leap that ALL 300 people saw the same thing. Individually a witness who saw an ambiguous light, may color in their own perception when hearing the ONE colorfull account.

Human minds make stuff up to complete a picture or a story. Our brains need to complete incomplete perceptions so they add things in....

The normal debunkers on here are usually one of the first posts in a new thread and say the same stuff every time with no evidence.....I just read right past them and go to the more educated people on the topic.

so you skip ahead to the good stuff like when watching porn? There are some people who can pick out some things instantly.For instance if someone works with CGI everyday and knows everything about it....most likely they will be able to spot cgi quickly. who has time to post evidence when something is obvious?

Normally someone who posts some sort of evidence.....Even if it is proved fake or not a UFO, that would be who I read into the most, because they did some homework to prove their stance.....

The post -- It looks CGI'd.....You can blow right past them unless they tell you why...

Why? can't you look for yourself? Seems like you don't want to waste any time and get right to the part where its aliens. Do you require the same from someone who claims it is not CGI? That would make more sense....no?


this is a confusing thread to me. is this a list of mundane objects misperceived as alien crafts? or is this list of alien flying objects that look and act like mundane things?

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Well, I'm not planning any trips to Puero Rico. This has a little more information (the name of the officer and the original UFO Investigator). I think this was pretty much copied from the story in the Daily Telegraph.

www.ufoevidence.org...

There's an ATS thread by karl12 on cases in Puerto Rico, but I think the information on this case there is pretty much just what's in the link above. The original investigator in Puerto Rico was on C2C, and that's on YouTube. I don't know what was discussed. His name is Jorge Martin.

so you skip ahead to the good stuff like when watching porn? There are some people who can pick out some things instantly.For instance if someone works with CGI everyday and knows everything about it....most likely they will be able to spot cgi quickly. who has time to post evidence when something is obvious?

Yes I do....Just like porn....But the thing with that topic is, I usually spend less time with it than I do reading a post...

Why? can't you look for yourself? Seems like you don't want to waste any time and get right to the part where its aliens. Do you require the same from someone who claims it is not CGI? That would make more sense....no?

I didn't say anything at all about doing research myself......For someone to say CGI.....Without any evidence to back it up is a joke to me....If someone works with it daily and is a professional, then they will have some proof to back up that claim...

this is a confusing thread to me. is this a list of mundane objects misperceived as alien crafts? or is this list of alien flying objects that look and act like mundane things?

Kinda sounds to me that a lot is confusing for you my friend.....But don't worry, you will figure it out eventually.....I have faith in all mankind (to an extent...:cool

The OP has used the wrong title to this thread. It should read:

"What are the most common reasons used to show the falseness of a UFO claim?"

Understanding what the word debunk actually means would help a great deal.

And lest the OP forget - it's only because some people (the "debunkers") make the effort to remove the chaff from the wheat, that we are left with some interesting, and genuine, mysteries.

Personally, I'm thankful to have the faculty to remove the 99.999% of nonesense that goes with this subject.


This thread reminds me of the 'nearly pregnant' analogy: A girl who is nearly pregnant, isn't pregnant. 10,000 girls who are nearly pregnant, aren't pregnant. To the UFO hardcore believer, of which there are many on this site, some of them MUST be pregnant.

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Yeah, yeah, As you may know, I'm working on camera-control software designed to detect anything that hovers in daylight, and swivel two other cameras along the first camera's line of sight within seconds so that all three can zoom and capture simultaneous frames with tracking data stamped on a bar below each image. It may take quite some time before anything shows up and gets captured, but when and if it does, it will be a whole new ballgame. Images will be streamed live, people in the area will be notified so they can look outside at the sky, and if something that looks like a flying saucer is captured FOIA requests for FAA and weather radar will be submitted, and we'll just let the data do the talking.

The bottom line is there is no scientific tangible proof that beings from another planet visit us. Word of mouth, photos, videos, etc are not proof. If you don't have proof, you can't make a logical connection with a craft in the air to that craft being piloted or controlled by an alien race. Everyone here giving that possibility is doing so purely out of belief and not fact. Yet people argue like it is a fact.

Originally posted by Ectoplasm8
The bottom line is there is no scientific tangible proof that beings from another planet visit us. Word of mouth, photos, videos, etc are not proof. If you don't have proof, you can't make a logical connection with a craft in the air to that craft being piloted or controlled by an alien race. Everyone here giving that possibility is doing so purely out of belief and not fact. Yet people argue like it is a fact.

However, these excuses are used for any type of aircraft, not just of alien origin. It may be some military craft they would still use sometimes ridiculous explanations thinking that people are that dumb.

Sorry if this is off topic (don't really think it is) but what is the plane labeled as "Ice Crystals" in the top row of the OP picture?

I saw a plane like this once but I haven't been able to figure out what it was.

Oh, here are some common excuses about UFOs:

People are lying
People are crazy
People are stupid
Highly trained military people can't be trusted to relay what they saw in broad daylight
Photos, videos and detailed eyewitness statements are not "proof"
I don't believe in them therefore they aren't real
They're demons (followed by a bunch of nonsense)

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I beg to differ on the last part.

If you were not all stupid as you put it, why are you so easily fooled??

reply to post by Chrisfishenstein

The normal debunkers on here are usually one of the first posts in a new thread and say the same stuff every time with no evidence.....I just read right past them and go to the more educated people on the topic.

This is hilarious

The more educated people on the topic are you guys then? The ones that cant tell the difference between a plane and something unidentified right? The ones that just go along with everything because they "know", without needing to do any research or analysis?

You guys look over the obvious, because its too obvious....

Meh, whatever, keep dreaming and fantasizing over this cash cow

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Hello,

much like you, I was a lot more of a "believer" many years back - the classic debunking theories you list, Venus, planets etc....i all thought were ridiculous.

Throughout the years, i have NOT become a stronger believer, nor found the answer to the UFO mystery. Actually the opposite, i have become much, much more skeptical.

The often given standard explanation for UFOs, let's say Venus, Chinese lanterns, airplanes...are INDEED and undeniable making a huge, huge percentage of all sightings.

Alone on this site, i have personally seen people going nuts over Jupiter, Venus or Sirius sparkling deep down on the horizon. I have seen people mistaking the shadow on the moon for "Nibiru". I have seen people not knowing what a lens flare is or sitting over images countless hours, examining a JPEG compression artifact.

75% of people are EXTREMELY uneducated and ignorant, they have no idea about astronomy, airplanes, military exercises and much more. They see something they cannot explain (due to lack of their own understanding, making it an UFO). Sorry, those are no "EXCUSES" by debunkers, but facts.

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Military Flares
Silver Mylar Balloons
Search light from a light house
Street Lights
Top Secret Military Craft
Window Reflections
Flames from Oil Rigs
International Space Station
Helicopters
Plane Formations
Meteorites
Space Junk
Fireworks
Clouds
Exploding Transformers
Car Head Lights